B25Modelman Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) Forget the above...grab that B25 A1 in the for sale section. At 14 he should be capable of a 12, my son started with my A1 skeet 12g at 9. It will be a gun for life. 1/4 1/4 and #8's are a great combination for sporting. Edited December 5, 2015 by B25Modelman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 I bought an E Rizzini when I was 16 and still shoot it now, nowt wrong with budget guns And I've got one for sale Looking for £350 Coincidently I've only decided to sell this afternoon and will place an add on gun trader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshAndy Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 £350 is what I paid for mine 18 years ago they hold their value then....... Ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) Look at this little beaut'! A bit tight on the top barrel admittedly, but nothing a good 'smith can't open up. Quite fancy this myself:https://www.guntrader.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Miroku_Shotgun_800_For-Sale_150218133734001 Edited December 5, 2015 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davids3511 Posted December 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Sorry i should have been more specific. He can manage a 12g for 25 shots or so but after that the muzzle starts to drop. He actually wants a 686 silver pigeon having used one for a days clay but i cant afford that so im looking for something for a year or so until he's a bit stronger. I know nothing about condition or faults (what does tight on it's face mean) which is why im looking at a newer gun with warranty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cawdor118 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Just a thought - I know you want to get it for his Christmas but wouldn't it be better to wait until you have another couple of hundred quid under your belt? (well within 686 territory). You will get the following- 1.A gun that will last him forever- or at least until he can afford his own. 2. A gun that won't depreciate past what you have paid for it. 3. A gun he can trust and develop with. If you buy him a cheaper gun for a year it just means he will have to get used to a new one in a year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) Not ideal, but quite a few of the gun shops seem to be doing the pay monthly thing, might be a way to spread the cost out and get something a little better quality. Though I don't think you would have any issues with a reasonably modern gun, if you only plan on him keeping it for a year. Edited December 5, 2015 by dannyboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Go for a light 12 rather than 20, more options and more for your money. A second hand franchi (berreta owned and designed) will be within budget, yet still be a good gun for years to come. The more practice the stronger his muscles will get and easier it will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewh100 Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 lincon 20g was the first gun I bought my lad you won't go wrong with this gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B25Modelman Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Reading some replies you will now be between a rock and hard place about which to buy. Have you tried your local clay club. Some have loan guns so it might be worth sampling a few before you just buy anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 I've just received my shotgun cert so a total newbie and my son is after his first gun for Christmas. The budget is £500 at a stretch so Beretta, Browning and Miroku's are out. I've seen a 1 year old Lincoln premier (20g) for £500. Would that fit the bill? He will only be shooting sporting clays and he doesn't want a semi-auto or pump. Also, as they come with a 3 year warranty , does anyone know if it's transferable to the new owner? Cheers in advance. hello, where in uk do you reside? is there not a clay shoot you could take him to try some O/Us, was the lincoln a private sale? never easy this first shotgun decision so hope you find something realy suitable and he is a happy lad. my dad bought my first shotty over 50 years ago, S/S hammer 410 for £6!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postie Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Pm wabbitbosher he seems to have a good mix of guns,and prices don't now how far from you he is But if your lad could pick up and handle a few he mite find one he likes Both myself and my two lads started of with light Wight sxs open chokes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 ont bother with the suggested 26inch you would never be able to sell it even 28inch is not that easy I would suggest a lightweight 12g like a Yildis or Revo cheap but well made guns brand new prices in your range with three year guarantee always keep it as a second gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Look at this little beaut'! A bit tight on the top barrel admittedly, but nothing a good 'smith can't open up. Quite fancy this myself:https://www.guntrader.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Miroku_Shotgun_800_For-Sale_150218133734001 hello, i had a look at that one scully when i was in lovells recently. nice example of a well made O/U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 hello, i had a look at that one scully when i was in lovells recently. nice example of a well made O/U I wish they were local to me, they seem to get some very good quality secondhand guns in. Someone is going to get a bargain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triumphant59 Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 As always plenty of advice telling you what you are considering is wrong! Don't go for a £500 Beretta Browning or Miroku. If you find one in 20b that's not 25 year old and shot millions of shells I will be surprised. A 12 will be too heavy for him and he won't enjoy shooting it. The Lincoln 20 you mention is a nice well built gun and it will look new and he will be proud to use it. Go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldweld Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Well said Triumphant59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) Always remember it is not the Manufacturer that hits the target, it is the Man behind the gun. I would suggest that you get your son to pick and handle as many guns as he can, you will soon find out what suits him, as others have said it is the fit that is important. Shooters are a friendly bunch as you will have discovered on PW, visit local clay shoots, and you will find that most of us will let you try our guns. Good luck and I hope your lad enjoys shooting. By the way if we knew where you are based we might be able to help you. Edited December 6, 2015 by bakerboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davids3511 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Always remember it is not the Manufacturer that hits the target, it is the Man behind the gun. I would suggest that you get your son to pick and handle as many guns as he can, you will soon find out what suits him, as others have said it is the fit that is important. Shooters are a friendly bunch as you will have discovered on PW, visit local clay shoots, and you will find that most of us will let you try our guns. Good luck and I hope your lad enjoys shooting. By the way if we knew where you are based we might be able to help you. We're based in Manchester. He's shot a 410 (i dont know what make) , a miroku 3800 12g, a silver pigeon 12g and a silver pigeon 20g in the last few months. By far he prefers the Beretta 20g but i just cant afford that. A 12g is just that bit too heavy for him right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 We're based in Manchester. He's shot a 410 (i dont know what make) , a miroku 3800 12g, a silver pigeon 12g and a silver pigeon 20g in the last few months. By far he prefers the Beretta 20g but i just cant afford that. A 12g is just that bit too heavy for him right now. Davids3511. my last post on this topic I promise! had Lincoln in 20 g as previously stated,currently have browning & Beretta SP in 20 g.......the best of the 3 is the SP.But the Lincoln to all intents and purpose is half price of a SP and it is not half the gun...it really is a great gun at the price and I would,with hindsight of quite happily kept it.........if I was in the market today for a 20g at your budget would very happily buy that lincoln with no hesitation.It will hold its value and can easily be chopped in in a year or so...or I suspect you will like it enough to keep it yourself. I have no interest in Lincoln or the seller of the gun...but have been there with the decisions you are looking at...we would all like to buy our kids Beretta 20g eells but in real world you wont go wrong with the gun you are considering and as his 1st gun he will cherish it and as it looks like new will have pride in it......IF and its a big if you can find a top makers gun at your budget,it will be well used and look it too............all the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkAYA Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 I recently go a lincoln premier gold deluxe 20b and I absolutely love it. Build quality is fantastic. Cost £600 in like new condition. I nearly bought the SP but couldn't justify the extra money when I prefered the feel and look of the lincoln. I would decently no hesitate to buy another one 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Why not take a trip up the motorway to Malmo guns at Lancaster? Loads of choice and the opportunity to try potential purchases before parting with money. They also have a good reputation and shouldn't try to rip you off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 Silver pig 20b is just over 6lb in weight, not that light.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 £500 for a starter gun =spoilt for choice. There's plenty to choose from and its not like buying a second hand car. Above all make sure the gun fits and isn't too heavy. google gun fit and do some reading if unsure. Buy from a reputable dealer who cant sell anything out of proof and will likley want to keep your custome. Just tell them your budget and take your son with you. Something like you've mentioned, a lanber or similar should be fine. Don't get hung up on makes or engraving as they don't help your shooting and my beretta is no better than my lanber or my old biakal all shoot the same if you do your bit. Don't spend too much as the chances are you'll change it within 18 months as he gets bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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