FalconFN Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 In answer to the OP, no I wouldn't. Stupid, incredibly disrespectful and potentially lethal behavior that reflects very badly on anyone that shoots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 The use of a shotgun as a bat to dispatch the wounded bird demonstrates shocking gun handling, but as distasteful as it may be it was also hugely effective. Certainly not something i liked to see however. As for the decoying, it's only different in the number of guns involved. he took the birds head clean off with his barrel never ever seen anything like that in my life, and if I did he would be walking off the land back to his car in an instant and never coming back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garygreengrass Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dob Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 That's bad, there is a video that I have seen with guys surrounding an old house in the snow and obviously caged pheasants are pushed through a hole in the roof one at a time and get hammered from all directions , not good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted February 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 (edited) Playing devils advocate, Apart from the number of guns in one hide (dangerous) what is so different to decoying wood pigeon? I have yet to see someone bat the head off a pigeon with their barrel Edited February 1, 2016 by fenboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedly47 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Bunch of idiots..... That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.......... Tedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagantino Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 A lot of presumptions being made here. You have no idea who these guys are or who they vote for. Who are you voting for? They eat hamburgers?? So. They shoot birds? So. They shoot birds from a hide?? So. One, one of them did something silly while out shooting?? So what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 A lot of presumptions being made here. You have no idea who these guys are or who they vote for. Who are you voting for? They eat hamburgers? ? So. They shoot birds? So. They shoot birds from a hide? ? So. One, one of them did something silly while out shooting? ? So what. You are right about some of the assumptions, but they are (self-named) professional guides, by that I assume they mean they do if for money rather than for any other definition of professional, and they made and presented that video as a showcase for what they do. That surely speaks volumes about the level of respect they show the cranes and to each other. I couldn't care less what they eat, who the vote for or what they do but I can and do judge them by how they do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 I have yet to see someone bat the head off a pigeon with their barrel No I have never seen that either, but I have seen them have their heads caved in on a fence post and gun stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 No I have never seen that either, but I have seen them have their heads caved in on a fence post and gun stock. That would be The Middle East Taliban wildfowlers that sometime troll these boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenholland Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 show that to david Attenborough that might get the ball rolling brain dead rejects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Which ball would that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Heard they taste very nice. Not good doing that with a gun but certainly quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greylag Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Apart from the idiot using his gun in a horrendous way to dispatch the crane,I could see very little difference to lining a fence and shooting geese over decoys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Which ball would that be? An imaginary one i think fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browning123 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Definitely not my type of thing - should not of watched the video! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) I think there is agreement across the board that clubbing the bird with the gun was bad. Is a team of guns standing up in a hide to shoot the decoyed birds also objectionable? If it is then why? Is it because the number of guns in the fake hay bale? is it because there are multiple shooters targeting the same bird? In terms of welfare for the bird, is multiple strikes not better as it's much less likely to be painfully wounded? Edited February 2, 2016 by grrclark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 To be fair apart from the clubbing , wot did they do wrong , the clubbing was wrong but it died quick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 If the shooter despatching the wounded bird had used a 'priest' or a heavy stick rather than his shotgun, would there have been any objections to the video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 If the shooter despatching the wounded bird had used a 'priest' or a heavy stick rather than his shotgun, would there have been any objections to the video? Good point there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayDT10 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 If the shooter despatching the wounded bird had used a 'priest' or a heavy stick rather than his shotgun, would there have been any objections to the video? yes I believe so. Just because they are not killing the way others like to kill they are scum , typical yanks and idiots. I must admit I would find no joy in shooting any quarry in that manner as it just is not my thing, but I will not judge anyone who does as this would seem very hypocritical as apart from the swinging gun dispatch and the number of guns in one hide it's not really much different from any decoy session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted February 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 If the shooter despatching the wounded bird had used a 'priest' or a heavy stick rather than his shotgun, would there have been any objections to the video? Not from me there wouldn't , I cannot say the way they shoot multiple guns in hides is my bag but that's the way they like to do things which is fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) If the shooter despatching the wounded bird had used a 'priest' or a heavy stick rather than his shotgun, would there have been any objections to the video? I'll fully accept that I'm not being completely stone-cold logical as the outcome was swift and pretty decisive, but yes I would still have an objection if he took a running swipe with a stick or priest rather than a shotgun. Doing it with a shotgun is wrong with no exceptions in my eyes, but so is the attitude conveyed by his actions. Shooting is pretty brutal when all said and done, but to me there is a difference between accepting the brutality and revelling in it - in the same way I enjoy watching a good boxing bout but wouldn't like to watch a drunken fist fight outside Wetherspoons. Edited February 2, 2016 by FalconFN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutron619 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) If the shooter despatching the wounded bird had used a 'priest' or a heavy stick rather than his shotgun, would there have been any objections to the video? Almost certainly not, but the thing that the others seem not to have articulated yet is that one's attitude towards one's quarry and fellow hunters is as important as achieving a clean kill / quick despatch. The chap swinging his gun at the crane showed no respect to himself, his fellow hunters or the animals by despatching the bird in such a gung-ho (and frankly dangerous) way and it is that to which people rightly object. A priest would have been a far safer tool for the job, but to go the other way for a second, if the only important feature of hunting / culling cranes is to kill the birds as quickly as possible, why did they choose to shoot them with shotguns and not simply machine-gun them or mine the decoys and blow them to bits with explosives? As the "hunters" (I use the word advisedly) in the video clearly demonstrate, they wanted the birds either to eat or as trophies, and either way, in my book, if they gain that "advantage" from taking the lives of the cranes, the cranes deserve a degree of respect for affording it to them. I can see from the responses here that others agree. Edited February 2, 2016 by neutron619 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 yes I believe so. Just because they are not killing the way others like to kill they are scum , typical yanks and idiots. I must admit I would find no joy in shooting any quarry in that manner as it just is not my thing, but I will not judge anyone who does as this would seem very hypocritical as apart from the swinging gun dispatch and the number of guns in one hide it's not really much different from any decoy session. i agree it would be hypocritical because we are all shooters, but I have never shot in a hide with 11 guys right next me jumping up and all shooting at the same time it would make feel very uneasy and unsafe and would turn down the chance to, it just isn',t my thing either and never will be, in fact It wouldn,t surprise me if the end of someone's barrels get blown off or even worse someone's head in a future trip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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