EU In or out

[Grandalf]

Difficult call. The oath is to the sovereign and, as far as I recall, also to her appointed ministers. I would have to read my very old attestation papers to check this. The choice between sovereign and parliament hasn't had to be made since the civil war of Cromwell's time.

I think the forces would go with the crown. She's head of the armed forces. Can't see anyone wanting to take an oath of allegiance to Brussels and that bunch of misbegotten nutters.

[ShootingEgg]

I dont know if it is just me but look at it a different way...

 

Say the Uk was not in europe, and we were voting to join it. Id be saying no to joining it.... Are the Ins on here still in the mind set that joining now would be worthwhile?

[markfromholland]

It is not that hard ....

 

We dutch have some experience being in the Eu.

 

All it brought is trouble, people stating that you will benefit

from becoming Eu member, are, or ignorant, or are politcally engaged,

or are going to make tons of money, or, all together

[armsid]

just been reading about Greenland voting to leave the EU in the early ,80,s theyare thriving they lease their fishing grounds to the EU and keep stocks under control they got fed up with Brussells taking their fishing grounds under EU control.think of what we have lost since the ,70,s to what we have now

[rodp]

just been reading about Greenland voting to leave the EU in the early ,80,s theyare thriving they lease their fishing grounds to the EU and keep stocks under control they got fed up with Brussells taking their fishing grounds under EU control.think of what we have lost since the ,70,s to what we have now

Yes, and think of the accounts that have never been audited, then think of the amount of money that could have changed hands as back handers. No wonder some want us to stay in.

[Mike737]

Steadily coming around to an OUT vote.

 

Mike.

[mossberg-operator]

Jeremy Clarkson published an article supporting staying in the EU. The Times.

[UKPoacher]

Yes, and think of the accounts that have never been audited, then think of the amount of money that could have changed hands as back handers. No wonder some want us to stay in.

The accounts have been audited and have not been rejected or refused. But in each of the last 18 years the auditors have discovered significant error.

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/has-eu-budget-been-rejected-auditors-past-18-years/

[secretagentmole]

The accounts have been audited and have not been rejected or refused. But in each of the last 18 years the auditors have discovered significant error.

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/has-eu-budget-been-rejected-auditors-past-18-years/

So who is right then?

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11209248/EU-auditors-refuse-to-sign-off-more-than-100billion-of-its-own-spending.html

 

The problem is with your claim is this website claims they have only been passed since 2007 http://www.britishinfluence.org/it_s_the_british_media_that_needs_auditing

 

The fact is that, contrary to the convincing assertions by some UK media, the EU accounts have been passed by the independent auditors every year since 2007 as accurate, legal, regular and reliable. Furthermore, the EU has no debt or borrowings and the books are always balanced every year. (From 1994 to 2004, the EU budget was subject to cash-based accounting. Improved accruals-based accounting was introduced in 2005. The European Court of Auditors gave qualified approval to accounts until 2006, and unqualified approval - 'clean' opinion - since 2007.)

 

Which makes me since that since 2007 they have had an unhealthy does of fudge factor, like one of Gordon Brown's budgets.....

[UKPoacher]

So who is right then?

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11209248/EU-auditors-refuse-to-sign-off-more-than-100billion-of-its-own-spending.html

 

The problem is with your claim is this website claims they have only been passed since 2007 http://www.britishinfluence.org/it_s_the_british_media_that_needs_auditing

 

The fact is that, contrary to the convincing assertions by some UK media, the EU accounts have been passed by the independent auditors every year since 2007 as accurate, legal, regular and reliable. Furthermore, the EU has no debt or borrowings and the books are always balanced every year. (From 1994 to 2004, the EU budget was subject to cash-based accounting. Improved accruals-based accounting was introduced in 2005. The European Court of Auditors gave qualified approval to accounts until 2006, and unqualified approval - 'clean' opinion - since 2007.)

 

Which makes me since that since 2007 they have had an unhealthy does of fudge factor, like one of Gordon Brown's budgets.....

 

Unqualified approval means they have no issues with the accounts since 2007 when the system of accounting was changed. Most of the irregularities they found were at the country's government levels and not attributable to the EU itself. the Telegraph article is a little mischievous. The EU budget has never totally balance to the cent. No company or country can expect over €100 billion to perfectly balance.

 

Don't get me wrong. I think that eventually the story will come out and the EU will make FIFA look like a Christmas Club fiddle. But to say that the accounts have not been signed off for fifteen years or more is incorrect. After all, Enron's accounts were fully signed off right up until they crashed.

[Rewulf]

 

Unqualified approval means they have no issues with the accounts since 2007 when the system of accounting was changed. Most of the irregularities they found were at the country's government levels and not attributable to the EU itself. the Telegraph article is a little mischievous. The EU budget has never totally balance to the cent. No company or country can expect over €100 billion to perfectly balance.

 

Don't get me wrong. I think that eventually the story will come out and the EU will make FIFA look like a Christmas Club fiddle. But to say that the accounts have not been signed off for fifteen years or more is incorrect. After all, Enron's accounts were fully signed off right up until they crashed.

 

Not that I think the Full Fact website is not just a little bit pro EU.

But,by their own figures 3.9% per annum (average) of the 130 bn EU budget has gone 'amiss' in fraudulent payments, and may or may not be recoverable!

Thats 5bn euros,but its OK because they know someones had it away,so technically the books balance.

Again,you couldnt make it up.

What I would like to see,and Ive never seen figures,is how much out of that 130bn is how much it costs in admin and expense accounts for all the MEPs ,pen pushers,researchers and lackeys?

[lord_seagrave]

I met a German today who told me that the UK would be better off OUT.

 

LS

[Vince Green]

Germany has taken a big step back in the past 24 hours, a big swing to the opposition party in regional elections. It has knocked Angela Merkel's immigration policy into the long grass. Little by little the cracks are appearing. Its not just the Garman people that are opposed to the migrants. The migrants themselves are complaining more and more loudly they are not being given enough. This will grow into real discontent over time. And they are still arriving.

Edited March 14, 2016 by Vince Green

[Vince Green]

Jeremy Clarkson published an article supporting staying in the EU. The Times.

Good enough reason for voting out! Why Jeremy Clarkson thinks anybody would be interested in his opinion one way or the other is beyond me. Now it appears Obama is coming over to lecture us, words like nose and out come to mind

[Vince Green]

 

Unqualified approval means they have no issues with the accounts since 2007 when the system of accounting was changed. Most of the irregularities they found were at the country's government levels and not attributable to the EU itself. the Telegraph article is a little mischievous. The EU budget has never totally balance to the cent. No company or country can expect over €100 billion to perfectly balance.

 

Don't get me wrong. I think that eventually the story will come out and the EU will make FIFA look like a Christmas Club fiddle. But to say that the accounts have not been signed off for fifteen years or more is incorrect. After all, Enron's accounts were fully signed off right up until they crashed.

My friend Greg was Greek, he came from the mainland. I remember him saying when Greece joined the EU it was like money was just falling from the sky. The farmers could claim subsidies for non existant crops and no matter how unbelievable and outrageous the claims it just got paid. Roads were built to nowhere with most of the materials being syphoned off to build private projects for local officials.

 

The point I am making is that these would have been accounted for and gone through the books. How crooked does it have to get before it doesn't go though the books and the money just disappears?

Edited March 14, 2016 by Vince Green

[rjimmer]

 

"The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe.".....Mikhail Gorbachev

 

[UKPoacher]

My friend Greg was Greek, he came from the mainland. I remember him saying when Greece joined the EU it was like money was just falling from the sky. The farmers could claim subsidies for non existant crops and no matter how unbelievable and outrageous the claims it just got paid. Roads were built to nowhere with most of the materials being syphoned off to build private projects for local officials.

 

The point I am making is that these would have been accounted for and gone through the books. How crooked does it have to get before it doesn't go though the books and the money just disappears?

It was the same in Cyprus. All of a sudden the old Japanese grey imports disappeared and everyone was driving a brand new German car. All the farmers were suddenly rich. The most amusing thing is that instead of borrowing money from the Arabs to build and repair roads they got EU grants. These came with caveats and all over Cyprus you will see bits of road that have been repaired with EU money. How can you tell them? Because they all have three or four metres of cycle lane complete with a start and end sign. You travel thirty kilometers along a mountain road and all of a sudden , on the outside of a bend where the road fell away, is a new bit of tarmac and a 3 metre long cycle lane

[The Croc]

Just a few links for you to have a ponder on.

If Turkey joins and we are still in they will be entitled to get the same as this, with us paying the bill

This I copied from under the video

"Viktor Orban, Hungary’s Prime Minister, has told his parliament that Cameron got nothing and reassures them that Hungarians who have not paid contributions will still get UK benefits:"

“the real debate was about there being benefits which workers do not pay for, but for which they are nonetheless eligible. The question was what should happen with benefits paid to third-country nationals, for which no contributions are paid in Britain. Here, too, we have succeeded in ensuring that these social benefits cannot be taken away… This means that we have even succeeded in protecting benefits which people working in the United Kingdom did not pay for in the form of contributions.”

More bad news that the EU doesn't want us to know about until AFTER the referendum, in case we learn the truth about what will happen if we should vote to stay IN

http://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-presses-brexit-hold-button-uk-referendum-campaign-eu-legislation/


An article on the IN campaigns arguments for staying and the countering of them

http://thescepticisle.com/2016/03/08/europhile-myths-debunked/#more-2685

All about getting Britain out
http://getbritainout.org/

Taken from the above


“Not 1 job is at risk from Brexit”

This was forcibly stated by Lord Digby Jones, the former Director General of the CBI and ex Minister of State for Trade and Investment.

He observed how Britain will secure a free-trade agreement with the EU immediately following Brexit ensuring no disruption to trade. (Sunday Politics, 31st January 2016)

This is the FB page to the above link
Lots of articles in here, you don't need a faceache account to read it

https://www.facebook.com/GetBritainOut

[dead eye alan]

Blimey that took some reading and digesting all makes sense, we need to GET OUT now it will be our only chance!

[Fuji Shooter]

Fear not Dave has secured the Tampax tax deal

[kent]

Here's a good current one. Why if America cam have different sales taxes in each state in one nation we can't simple set our own vat here.

Do the eu supporters realise your paying 5 % more for just about all goods and services since we started coming into line

Sorry but same rate of vat only hits people individually so your funding it

I recently imported a welding plant from the manufacturer in Germany

There was no vat at all as I am vat registered that's why The eu is run by fat cat businesses and paid for by us. Look at all these poor nations comming in ( lots of cheap labour)

Give us back a worthwhile vote for our own futures and retain our nation

[TONY R]

Here's a good current one. Why if America cam have different sales taxes in each state in one nation we can't simple set our own vat here.

Do the eu supporters realise your paying 5 % more for just about all goods and services since we started coming into line

Sorry but same rate of vat only hits people individually so your funding it

I recently imported a welding plant from the manufacturer in Germany

There was no vat at all as I am vat registered that's why The eu is run by fat cat businesses and paid for by us. Look at all these poor nations comming in ( lots of cheap labour)

Give us back a worthwhile vote for our own futures and retain our nation

SPOT ON .

[BattleFieldRelics]

Out

[Vince Green]

Fear not Dave has secured the Tampax tax deal

He was lucky they did'nt tell him to shove it! that would have made a few good headlines

[kent]

It's all pre agreed tricks that mean nothing don't be dragged in by the dance