buze Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 I have a B25 from 1975 -- upon inspection from quite a few people, it seems it's on it's original finish. Glossy. Hard as nail. Almost no marks on it. Can't be just oil... Now I've seen a recent browning (a year old) with bumps, dents, marks and so on right into the wood. Sure, some of them might 'lift up' with steam, but what amazes me is that my B25 is nearly pristine, the finish is more or less bulletproof, part from a bit of wear at the top. So, what finish did they use? it's not oil, it's not 'varnish' -- it's not acrylic, and it's not nitrocellulose (as it would have obvious signs, like my guitars). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 In 1975 I'd have thought a varnish or oil finish was all they had at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 Probably bowling lane lacquer,that`s definitely what Remington used at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 An oil finish can become very hard after a few years . Lots of handling can make an oil finish very shiny .the natural oil in hands can add to the lustre on gun stocks . I would have thought it would have to be an oil or varnish if it is original . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Have one from `76 and it`s got it`s original gloss varnish finish . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 One of my Winchester 101's has a hard gloss finish, as does my contemporary 1500 XTR. I'm assuming it's varnish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B25Modelman Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) From a 1938 brochure they termed the stock finish back then as 'high lustre'. I assume this would have been attained from lacquer of sorts. My 1980's B25/B5 has a Canadian walnut stock and for the life of me I cannot determine if it's oiled or varnish. It's a silk finish so not gloss but i'ts very hard. Edited April 14, 2016 by B25Modelman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Polyurethane finish was around in the 70s and it was different from the modern types in being near indestructible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) I think it will be a laquer or varnish finish as the time to oil them would be reserved for the high end guns. Back in the 80's there was non of this you can't have such and such in paints and varnishes, they could formulate them how ever they liked. Edited April 14, 2016 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Lower grade B25's had a hard gloss finish that was tough and durable . Bit of a swine to get off and I would recommend scraping and sanding rather than the paint stripper method if removing . Having done dozens of these high gloss finish strip off and oil finish jobs . It is also worth mention that in some cases there as an "undercoat" which was the colour so the stock may be very white underneath . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 I had a 80's say over and under with this type of finish. Two tins of nitromors later and I had to scrape it off. It softened slightly went cloudy and when rinsed off hardened again. Pig to strip but worth it in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stein Tjelta Posted July 15, 2019 Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 Dear sirs, I am about to buy a special gun: A B25 A1 Super Trap 80. Have only seen pictures and cannot wait to get it. However, can anyone tell me what signs of wear I should look out for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted July 15, 2019 Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 Any play in the action, take the forend off and shake the gun see if any movement between the face. Any wear on the ejectors , check for putting in the barrels and any bulges or ring bulging. If your not sure get the gun inspected by a dealer or gunsmith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted July 15, 2019 Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 Pretty sure it’s varnished. I have a browning auto 5 from 1962 that’s got a hard shiny finish very hardwearing but shines like a shiny thing in the field. Keep thinking about getting it stripped and refinished but don’t want to change the original look. I’ll post some pics up when I get home to see if it’s the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 15, 2019 Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 Quote Dear sirs, I am about to buy a special gun: A B25 A1 Super Trap 80. Have only seen pictures and cannot wait to get it. However, can anyone tell me what signs of wear I should look out for? Rust / pitting in the barrels and chambers. Splits in the forend woodwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northerner Posted July 15, 2019 Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 5 hours ago, Stein Tjelta said: Dear sirs, I am about to buy a special gun: A B25 A1 Super Trap 80. Have only seen pictures and cannot wait to get it. However, can anyone tell me what signs of wear I should look out for? Also to add to gordon's list check the position of the top lever when closed. When you are looking down at it if it is to the right when closed you are ok, if it is to the left the locking bolt might require welding or replacing depending on how worn it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 15, 2019 Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 might be "polyarmourmed"....the used to coat criket bats with it back in time for tea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted July 15, 2019 Report Share Posted July 15, 2019 On 14/04/2016 at 14:09, Gunman said: Lower grade B25's had a hard gloss finish that was tough and durable . Bit of a swine to get off and I would recommend scraping and sanding rather than the paint stripper method if removing . Having done dozens of these high gloss finish strip off and oil finish jobs . It is also worth mention that in some cases there as an "undercoat" which was the colour so the stock may be very white underneath . +1 on this. or you could flat it back 6000 wet and dry with some soapy water as a lubricant then buff to a high quality finish with g10/ brasso / silver polish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 On 15/07/2019 at 23:09, Saltings said: +1 on this. or you could flat it back 6000 wet and dry with some soapy water as a lubricant then buff to a high quality finish with g10/ brasso / silver polish sorry 2000 wet and dry then polish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe180 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 It was a varnish made by du-pont ,they used it on ten pins and bowling alleys as far as I know gun woodwork was dipped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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