norfolk dumpling Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 What is happening here? Is it the Frogs being bloody- minded? If it is surely this smacks of shooting one's self in one's foot. Before this happened UK holiday trade booming - Turkey/Egypt etc - so this will only help UK as anyone looking for a last minute trip to frog land will surely look elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Yes I agree, its the French being bloody minded, and we all know why don't we? They are not going to win this one though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 I believe it is the French government seizing on an opportunity of giving us some payback for Brexit....without the testicles to face up to us and admit it!...........our government would never admit this of course, because if they did that would require a response! Expect more of the same from our French European "partners" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 I believe it is the French government seizing on an opportunity of giving us some payback for Brexit....without the testicles to face up to us and admit it!...........our government would never admit this of course, because if they did that would require a response! Expect more of the same from our French European "partners" The French tourist industry that will suffer most when their bookings are down. Its a kick from the gallows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Are they doing enhanced checks at other borders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Kent is nice this time of year and the Fish and Chips at Dungeness station are heartily recommended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) Nothing to do with Brexit. At the end of July virtually the whole of the French civil service and government departments shuts down until the end of August. Couple that with the ongoing industrial actions that have caused chaos at airports and ferry terminals and you have a predictable, but not easily preventable problem. The French aren't as obsessed with Brexit as you lot think they are. Edited July 24, 2016 by UKPoacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Are they doing enhanced checks at other borders. I wondered to as I'm off to France shortly, but from another UK port. As far as I can establish the problems just relate to Dover, so yet again a stupid French idea. If anyone knows of problems elseware please advise asap and I'll adjust my journey time to port. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Nothing to do with Brexit. At the end of July virtually the whole of the French civil service and government departments shuts down until the end of August. Couple that with the ongoing industrial actions that have caused chaos at airports and ferry terminals and you have a predictable, but not easily preventable problem. The French aren't as obsessed with Brexit as you lot think they are. I agree, there are delays at this time every year, because of the civil service shut down. This year big delays were also due to the M2 being closed for over 12 hours on Friday, after a lorry carrying straw bales caught fire. As this was in a long section with no exits, it caused a long tailback and eventual logjam at Dover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 I agree, there are delays at this time every year, because of the civil service shut down. This year big delays were also due to the M2 being closed for over 12 hours on Friday, after a lorry carrying straw bales caught fire. As this was in a long section with no exits, it caused a long tailback and eventual logjam at Dover. Me too. Just like the arrivals at some of the UK airports this time of year. Nothing like rushing off the plane through the endless airport tunnels to be greeted by a packed arrivals hall with 20 lanes pf people for just a few open border control points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Nothing to do with Brexit. At the end of July virtually the whole of the French civil service and government departments shuts down until the end of August. Couple that with the ongoing industrial actions that have caused chaos at airports and ferry terminals and you have a predictable, but not easily preventable problem. The French aren't as obsessed with Brexit as you lot think they are. I didn't claim it was orchestrated by the French to inconvenience the Brits, but the opportunity to kill two birds with one stone by failing to make adequate arrangements, may have been too much to resist? The French people may not be obsessed by Brexit.....but the French Government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 I didn't claim it was orchestrated by the French to inconvenience the Brits, but the opportunity to kill two birds with one stone by failing to make adequate arrangements, may have been too much to resist? The French people may not be obsessed by Brexit.....but the French Government? Rubbish IMO. It happens to some extent every year, but this year all sorts of circumstances have conspired to make it worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Rubbish IMO. It happens to some extent every year, but this year all sorts of circumstances have conspired to make it worse. All entitled to our opinion eh? And that's all it is.....an opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Had there been border controls in place in Devon and Cornwall yesterday you would have seen real traffic chaos making the Dover run look like a queue in a Tesco filling station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrM Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) It was reported to be due to the French customs at Dover putting in stricter controls. The fire on M2 was London bound by the way Edited July 24, 2016 by MrM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 I agree, there are delays at this time every year, because of the civil service shut down. This year big delays were also due to the M2 being closed for over 12 hours on Friday, after a lorry carrying straw bales caught fire. As this was in a long section with no exits, it caused a long tailback and eventual logjam at Dover. Nah, that excuse is just clutching at straws OK, I'll get my coat on the way out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 I believe it is the French government seizing on an opportunity of giving us some payback for Brexit....without the testicles to face up to us and admit it!...........our government would never admit this of course, because if they did that would require a response! Expect more of the same from our French European "partners" You have not stated your reasons for this belief. But having read some of the main French newspapers over the last year or so I have not picked upon any anti-British feeling from the French government, and having lived in France for over four years have not picked up any anti-British feeling from the people. Do you believe that the French government would be so stupid as to deliberately create a backlog which would also result in their trade to the UK also being disrupted? The queues weren't just at the British side. Travel both ways were affected and many of the lorries going towards the UK are carrying perishable commodities. These queues happen to some extent every year at this time. This year there are aggravating factors that have made it worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) According to EU law there should be free passage between member states. What are these new security checks about? And why now? I don't agree with free passage anyway but this does have an element of wind up about it after statements made by the mayor of Calais in the past week Edited July 24, 2016 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 According to EU law there should be free passage between member states. What are these new security checks about? And why now? I don't agree with free passage anyway but this does have an element of wind up about it after statements made by the mayor of Calais in the past week If the security services receive information about a threat at a specific location they would be unwise not to act on it. Which could explain why the increased security checks were centred on Dover - Calais and not as stringent on the western routes to Normandy and Brittany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) If the security services receive information about a threat at a specific location they would be unwise not to act on it. Which could explain why the increased security checks were centred on Dover - Calais and not as stringent on the western routes to Normandy and Brittany. I'm not entirely convinced, The mayor of Calais has been getting increasingly vocal recently. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36626553 Edited July 24, 2016 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Yes, the Mayor can probably dictate how transport links are affected, price of diesel, Eurovision Song Contest results and next weeks Lotto numbers........... Mork calling Mindy--- Earth calling Vince Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 I don't think they would be daft enough to do that ,after all it would be quite a simple task to operate, all the french plates on a stacker holding area and wave the Brits through, it would soon operate as normal if they were being oversensative....... from Auntie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 You have not stated your reasons for this belief. But having read some of the main French newspapers over the last year or so I have not picked upon any anti-British feeling from the French government, and having lived in France for over four years have not picked up any anti-British feeling from the people. Do you believe that the French government would be so stupid as to deliberately create a backlog which would also result in their trade to the UK also being disrupted? The queues weren't just at the British side. Travel both ways were affected and many of the lorries going towards the UK are carrying perishable commodities. These queues happen to some extent every year at this time. This year there are aggravating factors that have made it worse. Simple questions.........why was the checkpoint not properly resourced by the French autorities? In fact on the busiest weekend of the year why did the French choose then to institute more rigorous checks and at the same time reduce even normal levels of manpower? I can see no real excuse for it........the Nice atrocity is more than likely an excuse..........are they serious? terrorists coming from the UK? Is this not sufficient reason to suspect French motives? As I said I do not neccesarily think the majority of French People are anti British but I would wager some of the French government and local and national politicians are..............its nothin new......they always have been! And yes I do think creating a deliberate backlog is not beyond them......they would be pretty confident the British Government would not retaliate, well not openly any way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 When you consider one of the biggest banks of the EU is shortly going to be leaving, and the rest of the few with any money have to make up the shortfall, there's going to be a bit of animosity I think They all know we're going to cut off their pocket money shortly, and they don't like it. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Simple questions.........why was the checkpoint not properly resourced by the French autorities? In fact on the busiest weekend of the year why did the French choose then to institute more rigorous checks and at the same time reduce even normal levels of manpower? I can see no real excuse for it........the Nice atrocity is more than likely an excuse..........are they serious? terrorists coming from the UK? Is this not sufficient reason to suspect French motives? As I said I do not neccesarily think the majority of French People are anti British but I would wager some of the French government and local and national politicians are..............its nothin new......they always have been! And yes I do think creating a deliberate backlog is not beyond them......they would be pretty confident the British Government would not retaliate, well not openly any way! Read back and you will see why. In France and some other countries there is a custom where many businesses and much of the public services either totally shut down or operate a skeleton service from the end of July until the end of August. Add to that the ongoing effects of strikes, and other factors and you get something that is predictable but virtually impossible to prevent. There are always delays at this time of year, but this year several other things have added to the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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