Court Rules Against Government: Article 50

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Hopefully this will clear up the meaning of "Troll" as far as most of us are concerned and Wikipedia.

 

Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,^[1]extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response^[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,^[3] often for their own amusement.

 

So no mention of appearance or stature just causing others grief.

 

 

BTW its easy to accuse someone whose opinion is contrary to yours as being a Troll but that just makes you a Bigot in the literal sense of the word.

 

 

 

Lastly, 'BTW its easy to accuse someone whose opinion is contrary to yours as being a Troll but that just makes you a Bigot in the literal sense of the word.'

 

No one on here accuses people of being a troll for that reason,they get called it because there are certain people who pop out of the woodwork with boring regularity, to stir up trouble and set off heated debates with their 'higher intelligence' and 'enlightened moral perspective'

If anything it shows the opposite to me.

 

There you go ChrisJH and Fisherman Mike/ Adge Cutler, the one who doesn't do politics!

 

That explains it properly thanks guys.

[Adge Cutler]

Grow up !

[longspoon]

BTW its easy to accuse someone whose opinion is contrary to yours as being a Troll but that just makes you a Bigot in the literal sense of the word.

By the way, it is not the act of holding a counter opinion that defines a troll, but the inflammatory way that opinion is expressed...keep up !

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Grow up !

 

Please don't be so condescending.

[Rewulf]

Grow up !

 

Well ..that hit a nerve !

[Gordon R]

Come on lads. I don't always agree with Adge, but I believe him to be sincere. There is the other odd person - and I do mean odd - who I would not describe as the same.

PS - for a man who doesn't do politics, he can give the wrong impression.

Edited November 5, 2016 by Gordon R

[shaun4860]

It is now very close to being locked as people can't seem to keep it on track.....

 

Descriptions of what or what isn't a Troll is off track......

 

Last chance people!!

 

[Gordon R]

shaun - point taken.

[Adge Cutler]

shaun - point taken.

Yes indeed lets keep the conversation adult...it would be a shame if it were locked down.

[oowee]

Ok so your an mp that believes in staying in. Your constituents voted in but the country says out which way do you vote??

Or your an mp that believes in out, your constituents voted out. The proposed headline deal is laid before parliament but it does not go far enough do you vote for it and settle for less or against risking delay?

I am happy to watch and read from the sidelines.

[Adge Cutler]

Ok so your an mp that believes in staying in. Your constituents voted in but the country says out which way do you vote??

Or your an mp that believes in out, your constituents voted out. The proposed headline deal is laid before parliament but it does not go far enough do you vote for it and settle for less or against risking delay?

I am happy to watch and read from the sidelines.

I would hope the MP would vote for his constituents wishes.. and I'm sure they will . I think the brexiters are worrying unnecessarily.

 

 

[Danger-Mouse]

I would hope the MP would vote for his constituents wishes.. and I'm sure they will . I think the brexiters are worrying unnecessarily.

 

 

 

It rather depends. Cleggy has already said he'll vote against a hard Brexit despite Sheffield as a whole voting out. Owen Smith has said much the same.

 

However I do think they are in the minority and whatever vote comes to pass will sail through with only a few rebels from either side voting against it.

 

The Lords is a different matter entirely. They may decide to resist in the hope that a years delay could change the situation. I`m hoping though that as the referendum was promised in the Con. manifesto then it will effectively be covered by the Salisbury Convention.

[Paul1440]

On the news tonight it was reported The PM said she would still invoke article 50 by March.

Thats a bit like promising someone a lift to work on Tuesday knowing the car is in for it's MOT on Monday.. Fine if passes.

[Gordon R]

She has staked her reputation on delivering. If she doesn't deliver, she may get some flak, but I am 100% convinced that she will blame Nick Clegg and the rest of the undemocratic bunch.

 

Those named and shamed will find future elections rather difficult. They may have to tell would be electors that they are bright enough to elect their MP, but not bright enough for big decisions.

[Lloyd90]

She has staked her reputation on delivering. If she doesn't deliver, she may get some flak, but I am 100% convinced that she will blame Nick Clegg and the rest of the undemocratic bunch.

 

Those named and shamed will find future elections rather difficult. They may have to tell would be electors that they are bright enough to elect their MP, but not bright enough for big decisions.

Exactly this! They're all mouth until they have to stand for their seats again! I hope Owen Smith is done, what a waste of space, how they ever thought he was a credible challenge for Corbyn I'll never know.

 

If they had anyone decent they could have got rid of both Corbyn and Smith and done us all a favour!

[Scully]

 

 

 

Look lets draw a line under this and as instructed keep it civil please stop making personal attacks on me

 

So which part of 'the type of swivel eyed lunatic who would vote for UKIP' am I not meant to find uncivil ?

As for FM being sincere, I could describe him as anything but. He did a convenient runner from the forum to save face when he realised the vote wasn't going to go the way he told everyone it would, and that despite him claiming people would vote with their wallets, the majority didn't. He then waits for the wheels to start to come off the UKIP wagon, which was quite predictable given its 'one purpose' reason for existing before resurrecting his avatar to appear on a shooting forum on which he has clearly stated he wouldn't be too bothered if shooting were banned, and claiming he no longer 'does politics', only to then inject at every opportunity his relish for the uncertainty and confusion surrounding the Brexit outcome.

You yourself only comment on topics on rare occasions, but always in the most derisory way possible in order to cause offence, and as FM has stated he wouldn't be too bothered if shooting were banned, I have to ask myself....why are either of you on here? Unless of course it is just to wind people up?

Personally I take my shooting very seriously, but I can't take either of you too seriously at all. However, I do resent you merely posting for effect.

[Fuji Shooter]

 

So which part of 'the type of swivel eyed lunatic who would vote for UKIP' am I not meant to find uncivil ?

As for FM being sincere, I could describe him as anything but. He did a convenient runner from the forum to save face when he realised the vote wasn't going to go the way he told everyone it would, and that despite him claiming people would vote with their wallets, the majority didn't. He then waits for the wheels to start to come off the UKIP wagon, which was quite predictable given its 'one purpose' reason for existing before resurrecting his avatar to appear on a shooting forum on which he has clearly stated he wouldn't be too bothered if shooting were banned, and claiming he no longer 'does politics', only to then inject at every opportunity his relish for the uncertainty and confusion surrounding the Brexit outcome.

You yourself only comment on topics on rare occasions, but always in the most derisory way possible in order to cause offence, and as FM has stated he wouldn't be too bothered if shooting were banned, I have to ask myself....why are either of you on here? Unless of course it is just to wind people up?

Personally I take my shooting very seriously, but I can't take either of you too seriously at all. However, I do resent you merely posting for effect.

 

Spot on - well said that man

[Gordon R]

Scully - slightly harsh on one of the parties, but you have a definite point. It will be interesting to see if it has any effect.

 

One should take note, the other should hang his head in shame.

[anser2]

I see the little German has cocked up again . He admits on the BBC this morning that the referendum is not a binding law just a guage of opinion of a section of voters.

 

The woman whose court case derailed the Government’s Brexit plans has forced Nigel Farage to admit that the EU referendum was only “advisory” under current law.

During a live TV clash, businesswoman Gina Miller told the UKIP leader that “what you argued for the whole way through [was] Parliamentary sovereignty” and the High Court had delivered exactly that.

In its historic judgement last week, the court ruled Theresa May had to consult Parliament before triggering the formal Article 50 process of quitting the EU.

Farage warned that if MPs and peers now frustrated the will of the people for Brexit there would be ‘political anger’ on the streets, and urged Leavers to ‘try and get even’ through ‘peaceful protest’.

But Miller said politicians should have been straight with the public that referendum was not legally binding.

And on BBC1’s Andrew Marr Show, Farage conceded: “I take the advisory point. And I would now wish to see constitutional change to make referendums binding.”

Cabinet minister David Lidington later admitted the same point, declaring “you could say in strict legal terms the referendum was advisory, not binding”.

Edited November 6, 2016 by anser2

[Scully]

 

I see the little German has cocked up again . He admits on the BBC this morning that the referendum is not a binding law just a guage of opinion of a section of voters.

 

The woman whose court case derailed the Government’s Brexit plans has forced Nigel Farage to admit that the EU referendum was only “advisory” under current law.

During a live TV clash, businesswoman Gina Miller told the UKIP leader that “what you argued for the whole way through [was] Parliamentary sovereignty” and the High Court had delivered exactly that.

In its historic judgement last week, the court ruled Theresa May had to consult Parliament before triggering the formal Article 50 process of quitting the EU.

Farage warned that if MPs and peers now frustrated the will of the people for Brexit there would be ‘political anger’ on the streets, and urged Leavers to ‘try and get even’ through ‘peaceful protest’.

But Miller said politicians should have been straight with the public that referendum was not legally binding.

And on BBC1’s Andrew Marr Show, Farage conceded: “I take the advisory point. And I would now wish to see constitutional change to make referendums binding.”

Cabinet minister David Lidington later admitted the same point, declaring “you could say in strict legal terms the referendum was advisory, not binding”.

 

 

See what I mean? It can't be opinion as opinion can't be proved one way or the other, whereas unless I'm wrong, it can be proved that Farage isn't German. Therefore it must be a deliberate intent to provoke a response. Ah well..... as long as they're happy.

Edited November 6, 2016 by Scully

[Adge Cutler]

 

I see the little German has cocked up again . He admits on the BBC this morning that the referendum is not a binding law just a guage of opinion of a section of voters.

 

The woman whose court case derailed the Government’s Brexit plans has forced Nigel Farage to admit that the EU referendum was only “advisory” under current law.

During a live TV clash, businesswoman Gina Miller told the UKIP leader that “what you argued for the whole way through [was] Parliamentary sovereignty” and the High Court had delivered exactly that.

In its historic judgement last week, the court ruled Theresa May had to consult Parliament before triggering the formal Article 50 process of quitting the EU.

Farage warned that if MPs and peers now frustrated the will of the people for Brexit there would be ‘political anger’ on the streets, and urged Leavers to ‘try and get even’ through ‘peaceful protest’.

But Miller said politicians should have been straight with the public that referendum was not legally binding.

And on BBC1’s Andrew Marr Show, Farage conceded: “I take the advisory point. And I would now wish to see constitutional change to make referendums binding.”

Cabinet minister David Lidington later admitted the same point, declaring “you could say in strict legal terms the referendum was advisory, not binding”.

 

I wouldn't expect anything less of him or his lunatic dysfunctional party.

 

 

 

 

 

 

(That is lunatic and dysfunctional in my opinion and not aimed at any member of the forum in particular)

[Chris Bb]

 

I see the little German has cocked up again .

 

 

I wouldn't expect anything less of him or his lunatic dysfunctional party.

 

(That is lunatic and dysfunctional in my opinion and not aimed at any member of the forum in particular)

 

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Where's the "facepalm" emoticon when you need it?

[Scully]

 

 

 

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Where's the "facepalm" emoticon when you need it?

 

[anser2]

Ok Scully prove Farage is not from German gt gran parents.

[Adge Cutler]

Ok Scully prove Farage is not from German gt gran parents.

His Nationality ( or lack of it ) is not relevant to this topic Anser . Some are still trying to derail this topic and have it locked down... put yourself above it and don't rise to the bait.