Bobba Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Drawn to the public's attention on BBC Breakfast this morning. Truly frightening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn2233 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 That is a very disturbing story, There are some sick people out there, Whilst this is a very emotive subject and many of you will have children of this age, please let's not let it degenerate into something that gets it locked. Think before you post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 If that ever happened to one of my daughters there would be no place on earth for the guilty to hide when released - being fully aware of the consequences would not bother me in the slightest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 What saddens me is that we have offenders that are then let out and offend again. If the stats are to be believed, if you jailed everyone that was convicted of either viewing or distributed images or worse, there would not be enough jail space. I don't know what the answer is myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshAndy Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Very powerful and disturbing. My heart goes out to the family, I have young children and feel this should be shown in school across the country on Monday morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 What saddens me is that we have offenders that are then let out and offend again. If the stats are to be believed, if you jailed everyone that was convicted of either viewing or distributed images or worse, there would not be enough jail space. I don't know what the answer is myself. Seems simple to me bilud more prisons, remove human rights so these animals can be warehoused cheaply and bring back the death penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db135 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Them sort want dispatching IN humanly prisons are full off them they should just have a good clear out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyg1086 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 If this is about people abusing children I can't watch it will make me cry. I once worked in the house of a lady who fostered children that this sort of thing happened to by thier parents and she kept a folder full of pictures of he babies she called them and she showed us this folder and knew everything about each of the children that she had looked after thier favourite food tv programme everything and she was crying I was crying and the bloke I work with was crying after she told us some of the things that had happened to the kids and some of them went back to thier parents I couldn't believe it. Children are the future as corny as it may sound a child that grows up in that environment is more likely to go on and do it themselves when they are older just what sort of society are we creating for ourselves in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db135 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 I use to work with a lad and he never seemed to mention his dad a got to know him better and just asked him has your dad passed away as you never talk about him? He just came out with it my dad was convicted of raping my older sister well I was shocked and sickened he has good right to hate him he went on to say after he did his time he moved away met sum women on line wasn't interested in her only her kids luckily he was rumbled before doing anything happened there vile and should never be let out again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 What saddens me is that we have offenders that are then let out and offend again. If the stats are to be believed, if you jailed everyone that was convicted of either viewing or distributed images or worse, there would not be enough jail space. I don't know what the answer is myself. We already don't have enough prisons for all the other crimes! Seems simple to me bilud more prisons, remove human rights so these animals can be warehoused cheaply and bring back the death penalty. You've come up with a simple solution for a complex problem. It doesn't just work like that 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollieollie Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 So what do you suggest Lloyd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 So what do you suggest Lloyd? Considering some of the best and brightest in the country struggle to come up with effective outcomes for this type of thing I'm afraid your hopes won't do well resting on me sorry Ollie. Human rights is something that has been covered in this forum many times. You can not pick and choose who gets them and who does not. Anyone who things they can obviously doesn't understand what they are for. To look at any of our highly complex problems and say "Build more prisons, take away people rights" is ridiculous. Sounds like something that belongs in a third world dictatorship. It also shows a massive lack of understanding of the complexities faced on many levels. The new prison in Wrexham cost £250 MILLION! We are facing a time of a massive economic deficit, essential services are being cut, we can't just click our fingers and these prisons and thousands of staff suddenly appear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveboy Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Maybe Castration (chemical or knife) would be a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 If that ever happened to one of my daughters there would be no place on earth for the guilty to hide when released - being fully aware of the consequences would not bother me in the slightest. My thoughts to. He would pray for me to kill him before I finished with him. The revenge scene from law abiding citizen springs to mind. Sad thing is, we wouldn't get the chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 We already don't have enough prisons for all the other crimes! You've come up with a simple solution for a complex problem. It doesn't just work like that 🙄 Your right it doesn't work like that now, however it could if it was put into action, why should our taxes be used to give these scum a comfy life in prison? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 (edited) Your right it doesn't work like that now, however it could if it was put into action, why should our taxes be used to give these scum a comfy life in prison?Can I ask your experience of life in prison? Prison guard? Staff? Or read in the paper/internet? Edit for spelling error * Edited January 7, 2017 by Lloyd90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Considering some of the best and brightest in the country struggle to come up with effective outcomes for this type of thing I'm afraid your hopes won't do well resting on me sorry Ollie. Human rights is something that has been covered in this forum many times. You can not pick and choose who gets them and who does not. Anyone who things they can obviously doesn't understand what they are for. To look at any of our highly complex problems and say "Build more prisons, take away people rights" is ridiculous. Sounds like something that belongs in a third world dictatorship. It also shows a massive lack of understanding of the complexities faced on many levels. The new prison in Wrexham cost £250 MILLION! We are facing a time of a massive economic deficit, essential services are being cut, we can't just click our fingers and these prisons and thousands of staff suddenly appear. I don't remember this country being run by a dictatorship before the year 2000.That 250m that the new prison cost is peanuts compared to the annual running costs of keeping prisoners, the reason it costs so much is to comply with human rights and giving them minimum hours out of cell, Electric, hot water, kettles for making boiling water to throw at the guards, education and joking 'rehabilitation' courses, state of the art gyms, bang up pay for doing nothing, detox drugs so they can sell them on to their other druggie mates, staff to keep them safe from each other etc. Follow my 'simple' plan and we'd save a fortune, and reoffening rates for the most serious crimes would be zero because dead people can't reoffend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 (edited) I don't remember this country being run by a dictatorship before the year 2000. That 250m that the new prison cost is peanuts compared to the annual running costs of keeping prisoners, the reason it costs so much is to comply with human rights and giving them minimum hours out of cell, Electric, hot water, kettles for making boiling water to throw at the guards, education and joking 'rehabilitation' courses, state of the art gyms, bang up pay for doing nothing, detox drugs so they can sell them on to their other druggie mates, staff to keep them safe from each other etc. Follow my 'simple' plan and we'd save a fortune, and reoffening rates for the most serious crimes would be zero because dead people can't reoffend. Yea let's just shoot them all that'll solve all crime 😂 What s it you do? You've yet to tell us your source for your info on the good life being led by prisoners... Edited January 7, 2017 by Lloyd90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog1408 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Yea let's just shoot them all that'll solve all crime What s it you do? You've yet to tell us your source for your info on the good life being led by prisoners... As you are so vocal on the subject, maybe you can enlighten us to your experiences with prisons ? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 As you are so vocal on the subject, maybe you can enlighten us to your experiences with prisons ? Mike I've not claimed lots of experience, nor have I claimed to know what a great life they have, how to solve the problems we have or what costs the most money and how I would save us so much. Normally it's the person who makes these claims who provides the evidence for them, not the person asking for it ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 (edited) Yea let's just shoot them all that'll solve all crime 😂 What s it you do? You've yet to tell us your source for your info on the good life being led by prisoners...I didn't say it would solve all crime, (although considering that all crime is comited by approximately the same minimum 70% of the entire prison population who come in and out on a revolving door basis it couldn't harm the figues) I said it would cut the reoffening rates for the most serious crimes to zero, as if they were executed it would stop them being able to reoffend wouldn't it, or do you not understand my point? Edited January 7, 2017 by 12gauge82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog1408 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 No slur intended, I just thought you might have insider (no pun) knowledge. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollieollie Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 I think where certain crimes are concerned the benefit of human rights should be revoked, some may say that's wrong. I cannot for the life of me see that anything positive is achieved by keeping certain criminals alive. I'm with the simple/primitive solution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 What saddens me is that we have offenders that are then let out and offend again. If the stats are to be believed, if you jailed everyone that was convicted of either viewing or distributed images or worse, there would not be enough jail space. I don't know what the answer is myself. There isn't enough space at the moment for those that should be locked away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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