Peter De La Mare Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Finally after a monumental battle I have finally got my shotgun certificate back. The trouble is, is in that time it seems my 1980s Brattonsound cabinet is no longer favoured by my new FEO due to the door flange being jemmi-able (new word I invented). So with no appetite for a fresh battle I've just gone for the quick win and replaced it with a new suitable one. What to do with the old one now? Dump it? Has it any value otherwise? It's in really good condition, two lock, has lockable inner-box at the top, immensely heavy etc. Seems a shame to dump it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Make a good large ammo safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve d Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Make a good large ammo safe. +1 Or somewhere to put all the stuff that you dont want the missus finding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Peter - glad to see you back shooting and on the Forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 I know it's irrelevant now, but I cannot believe a purpose built Brattonsound gun safe, no matter how old it is, has had its British standard approved classification revoked/withdrawn? Sounds to me like you've been subjected to a jumping through hoops exercise by the FEO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Advertise it as suitable for an Airgun ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Airguns or fly rods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) What do you want for it ? Asking price? I will be down your way in the next two weeks and could pick it up ...probably Saturday 28th late afternoon. Edited January 13, 2017 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted January 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) Make a good large ammo safe. +1 Or somewhere to put all the stuff that you dont want the missus finding lol I like those ideas. Peter - glad to see you back shooting and on the Forum. Hey Gordon, glad to be back. Hope to be out next weekend. I know it's irrelevant now, but I cannot believe a purpose built Brattonsound gun safe, no matter how old it is, has had its British standard approved classification revoked/withdrawn? Sounds to me like you've been subjected to a jumping through hoops exercise by the FEO? Yes, I agree. It's been fine for nearly 30 years but the new FEO doesn't like the door. Can these regulations change? There must be loads of cabinets like these out there. I actually like my new FEO, very pleasant and helpful, but I'm not sure about this. Also, even stranger, I asked about this new cabinet and was told the hinges make it a fail. This cabinet has the relevant BS kite mark and is "Police Approved" though I'm not sure how that's measured. https://www.lichfieldsafecentre.co.uk/media/pdf/GS8010K_SERIES_-_TUCANA_GUN_SAFES.pdf Airguns or fly rods Good idea, thanks. What do you want for it ? Asking price? I will be down your way in the next two weeks and could pick it up ...probably Saturday 28th late afternoon.What do you think it's worth? I'll send you pictures. £50? Edited January 13, 2017 by Peter De La Mare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilR Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 My 1970's gun cabinet predates the current British Standard. It does however meet the construction standards of the BS listed in the Home Office guidance. It has been approved by Bedfordshire, Thames Valley and Northants police FEOs. The critical word is guidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Peter - I think the exterior hinges make if look less secure. I presume that is what the FEO was referring to. It might well have lugs inside the door which retain security, if the hinges are cut off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) Might be worth an email to Bratton sound as they may well have the design/test data still on file. Does it have 2 locks? Probably worth more to an airgunner if deep enough... Edited January 13, 2017 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted January 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Here's a pic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Here's a pic. cant see anything wrong with that cabinet??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hightower666 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Looks very similar to mine, although a little more dated. Picked mine up for £40 second hand, FEO said nothing about it and was happy to stamp my cert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 You have a pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I have one very similar..........does the door at the hinge side have along its complete length, an extension which when the door is closed, hooks around the doorframe of the safe carcass? If so, I would contact Brattonsound and check if it complies with British Standard Approval 7558, if they confirm it does I would consider taking the matter further...it is not at all unusual for FEO to make up the rules to suit themselves!......at your expense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted January 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) Thank you all for the replies and advice chaps, it's much appreciated. I have a slight admission to make however, bit embarrassing, but the cabinet after a look for some more photos turns out not to be a Brattonsound after all. If I could find the embarrassed smiley I'd insert it here. It's made by a company called S.M.P in Telford, and for the life of me this is news despite owning it from new in 1990. The bit the FEO is objecting to is the door edge being a simple fold. Edited January 16, 2017 by Peter De La Mare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Have a read https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/117636/firearms-security-handbook.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted January 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Have a read https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/117636/firearms-security-handbook.pdf None the wiser as I can't see any description that mentions the door edge, and the illustration image they use looks extremely similar to my door. Anyway, I've already rolled over and I have a new cabinet arriving on Wednesday. Then the certificate will arrive shortly after that which is all I care about now lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Can't see anything wrong with that. It has a flange to protect the locks from attack and a brace on the hinge side that would brace behind the frame if the hinges were breached. FEO is being a **** would be my suggestion. That's far from unheard of! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Mine could of been made of balsa wood because the FEO could be ***** to bend down and look in the cupboard.Then on renewal he just phoned up and asked it's in the same place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwr Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 I think you've done the right thing by going down the path of least resistance and enjoying your shotgun license but if you look at page 8 of the link that was sent above it says, (depending on where you live and the perceived risk) A suitable gun clamp can be used. I would suggest that you're gun cabinet was better than a clamp, but anyway it's a bit subjective so suggest you move on and enjoy your newfound freedom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) It's the sams as mine the offficer that came said it was fine .i put it in a corner so if any one puts a bar in they can not push to force the door .put the cabinet to wall with the locks facing the other wall in a corner The officer said that was ok that way Edited February 21, 2017 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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