mattyg1086 Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I currently do 4 12 hour shifts a week Monday to Thursday. They are thinking of making us all go on to 4 on 4 off 12 hour shifts. We get paid for 11 hours per shift as we get deducted an hour for lunch so that is 44 hours per week we are paid currently. My question is how much would we get paid if it went to 4 on 4 off as I've been told it is a pay cut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Over 8 weeks under existing system you would work 32 times. Under new system in 8 weeks you would work 28 times. I think that makes a reduction of half a shift a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartward Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 It will be a pay cut but you get more time off. At the moment you do 4 on 3 off but the new system is 4 on 4 off. That works out at about 250 hours a year less. Also on 4 on 4 off you will be working a lot off weekends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyg1086 Posted January 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Just as I thought it's going to be balls. Trouble is the manager has worked out that is will be less money for us hence a saving for her so even if we don't want to do it she will give us 90 days consultation period and then we will be on it anyway. Also its only something like one full weekend off in 8 weeks I believe. So less money and I will have to work weekends I'm really not liking the sound of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Unless you are dead against it or it will have a really detrimental affect on family life, there can be advantages in having time off during the conventional working week. Does the same amount of work have to be done with the now reduced available man hours? IE, are you going to work harder or are you going to play catch up and make up the shortfall at overtime rates? Is your manager on a productivity bonus - she might have just earned one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 What are you going to do in the 4 days not working.... second job I would be looking for a self employed job where you could work what hours and when on those days off. Could turn it to your advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 The good thing about 4 on 4 off is holidays! 4 days holiday gains you 12 days. But sounds like your on a rubbish deal unles you can get a part time job? Agency driving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyg1086 Posted January 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Does anyone know the actual weekly hours or how to work it out. I'm mot sure I like the idea of working most weekends but if that's how it has to be. I am an electrician and I do work for a colleague that has his own company so I may have to do more work for him to cover the shortfall Does anyone know the actual weekly hours or how to work it out. I'm mot sure I like the idea of working most weekends but if that's how it has to be. I am an electrician and I do work for a colleague that has his own company so I may have to do more work for him to cover the shortfall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 What are you going to do in the 4 days not working.... second job I would be looking for a self employed job where you could work what hours and when on those days off. Could turn it to your advantage. This is very common for data centre workers. The days off are really needed for rest, as the four days usually swap from day to night shift, so you need the four days to get ready to flip your working hours. I wouldn't recommend finding other work during those days. Day one off of a night shift is a needed rest day, day two is to get back to normal and then the other two to have free time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I would be looking for enhanced pay rates for the weekend work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donegalcharlie Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I would be looking for enhanced pay rates for the weekend work.For sure money shall be going up or I wouldn't be there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartward Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I love this shift pattern I,ve been doing it for 30 years and with holidays taken into account I only work 149 days a year which means loads of time for other things like shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Been there done that. Your 4 days off won't be 4 days, your 1st day is mostly spent in bed. The next your a zombie then you get back to a normal kind of day off. Check your annual hrs worked compared to your previous pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Been there done that. Your 4 days off won't be 4 days, your 1st day is mostly spent in bed. The next your a zombie then you get back to a normal kind of day off. Check your annual hrs worked compared to your previous pattern. Am I missing something? I could understand that if coming off nights but the Op hasn't mentioned nights, the only timescale being lunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 If no night shifts are involved and you can make up the loss of income it could be a reasonably nice way to work. On the other hand if it doesnt suit how much do you want to stay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I do 2 days 2 nights 5 off.. I love it, but I will start to look for a part time job soon as I'm so bored on my days off after I've done all my little house jobs.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Am I missing something? I could understand that if coming off nights but the Op hasn't mentioned nights, the only timescale being lunch.Please accept my most humble apologies sir. I made a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 We did 4 on 4 off for a few years, for the same pay. If you have to work 12 hour shifts I think it's the best system. I couldn't believe how much free time I had. Take advantage of it to generate a small business venture for your days off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 If it's days then can't fault it, you will be doing an average of 2080 hrs a year, and possible 260 odd hrs annual leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decoy1979 Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) Does anyone know the actual weekly hours or how to work it out. I'm mot sure I like the idea of working most weekends but if that's how it has to be. I am an electrician and I do work for a colleague that has his own company so I may have to do more work for him to cover the shortfall Does anyone know the actual weekly hours or how to work it out. I'm mot sure I like the idea of working most weekends but if that's how it has to be. I am an electrician and I do work for a colleague that has his own company so I may have to do more work for him to cover the shortfall I make it an average of 42 hours a week before any deductions for lunch break as per your current agreement. I calculated it by taking the 8 day cycle 4 on/4 off, multiply by 7 (no of days in a week) =56 Divide 56 by 2 as you work half of the days over that period = 28 days worked at 12 hrs per day therfore 28 x12 = 336 hours Divide the 336 by 8 =average 42 hours per week. I think that makes sense.. Edited January 31, 2017 by decoy1979 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 I work 3 on 3 off but nights and it works well for me as mentioned you book 4 days holiday and you get 12 or one day either side of your 4 on and you can start to really enjoy it. The only problem is if you do a lot at weekends I know a few people who really don't like working Saturday's, the other thing is if you normally work a lot of over time at weekends as the shift pattern would stop this other than holiday cover. We get 39 hrs plus 5 at overtime as basic each week for an average of 44hrs over the week but we get a paid lunch and extra for being on the shift pattern Hope this helps failing that new year new job Mice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 I work 12 hours 4 on 4 off and its 4 days 4 off 4 nights 4 off its long days but the time off it great as said take 4 days off your off nearly two weeks and one month you work every weekend the next month your off every weekend , the only bad point is your first day off after finishing a 12 hour night shift at 7am means you must go to your bed even for four hours or else by tea time your dead to the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 We tried for it but the manager said no as we wouldn't be working enough hours, We were on a 48 hour week, 4 shifts from 7 Then they tried to change it to 4 or 5 from 7 (still 48hours) we said no, union said no......upshot was......needs of the business, 90 days notice of change of contract..... Union said sorry, nothing we can do, don't get me wrong, there was a large pay rise involved but it was the principal. Another depot managed to get 4 on 4 off and they loved it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyg1086 Posted February 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 Hopefully we have talked our manager out of it as we don't really want to do it. I she works out how much money she would save then we are a screwed but I hope that's the end of it for now. Cheers everyone for your help and experiences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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