mossberg-operator Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4284814/Farmer-murdered-partner-daughter.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 ...........and the point of your post is exactly what? You simply put up the link without a comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted March 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Sad and relevant story on fierarms licensing for us imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) **** happens I'm afraid. Edited March 6, 2017 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Media emphasis on means not perpetrator, as usual! Guns don't kill people...... people kill people, he could have committed murder using any number of things...a vehicle, screwdriver, knife, hammer, pointy stick! etc etc. He had issued threats to kill before this incident, so he was a known risk.....but what can the police or anyone else do about that? Certainly not give him the means....which is exactly what the police did! And again Police failures have potentially put yet another nail in the coffin of shooting sports and legal gun ownership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Not clear as to why people post these matters. Most of us are car drivers, but members don't post a link every time someone dies in a car or by being hit by a car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Not clear as to why people post these matters. Most of us are car drivers, but members don't post a link every time someone dies in a car or by being hit by a car. Unfortunately it's relevant news on a shooting forum.I for one found it interesting that the police re-issued his licence after threats was made. My condolence to the family members lost in this tragic state of affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 I for one found it interesting that the police re-issued his licence after threats was made. As Durham did with Atherton. The police are in no position to seize anybody's firearms according to my FEO, unless there is evidence of direct endangerment, and rightly so in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Unfortunately it's relevant news on a shooting forum. I accept what you are saying, but motoring forums don't have a new thread every time someone is killed on the road. It is as if we are trying to do the anti-shooting brigade's job for them. The real story should be that a lunatic killed his family, not how he did it. The emphasis on the "gun" aspect is what is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 The emphasis is on 'YET AGAIN' the licencing authority, we where assured this wouldn't happen again.But this very worrying even mirror the ATHERTON case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 I accept what you are saying, but motoring forums don't have a new thread every time someone is killed on the road. It is as if we are trying to do the anti-shooting brigade's job for them. The real story should be that a lunatic killed his family, not how he did it. The emphasis on the "gun" aspect is what is wrong. I know what you mean, but not to sound disrespectful.. car accidents involving death happen a lot and the media doesn't cover this as it's sort of normal. But a person shooting another is totally against the grain in this country, it just doesn't happen as often. We (as in gun owners) are not trying to do the antis job for them it's the media, in this case the daily mail that has published what has happened and the op chose to share said article on here for others to see. I totally agree with you the way the media attack gun ownership, but in this instance I believe it was more of an attack on the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 I know what you mean, but not to sound disrespectful.. car accidents involving death happen a lot and the media doesn't cover this as it's sort of normal. But a person shooting another is totally against the grain in this country, it just doesn't happen as often. We (as in gun owners) are not trying to do the antis job for them it's the media, in this case the daily mail that has published what has happened and the op chose to share said article on here for others to see. I totally agree with you the way the media attack gun ownership, but in this instance I believe it was more of an attack on the police. That is fine. My point was that it was pointless the OP posting the link without commenting on the contents. If that is acceptable I may in future post links for the Financial Times, New Scientist, Lincolnshire Life or Playboy without further comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 That is fine. My point was that it was pointless the OP posting the link without commenting on the contents. If that is acceptable I may in future post links for the Financial Times, New Scientist, Lincolnshire Life or Playboy without further comment. You are being a naughty boy, go back to bed and get up from the correct side, you'll feel better for it, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 That is fine. My point was that it was pointless the OP posting the link without commenting on the contents. If that is acceptable I may in future post links for the Financial Times, New Scientist, Lincolnshire Life or Playboy without further comment. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 That is fine. My point was that it was pointless the OP posting the link without commenting on the contents. If that is acceptable I may in future post links for the Financial Times, New Scientist, Lincolnshire Life or Playboy without further comment. Sorry j dog didn't mean to miss you out on the conversation lol Point taken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Attempted to hire a hitman in 1997 and he still kept his licence, threatening to kill in 2013 and the police hand him his guns back despite the police being repeatedly warned. First he sounds like a head case and secondly the police are 100% to blame for this tragedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Attempted to hire a hitman in 1997 and he still kept his licence, threatening to kill in 2013 and the police hand him his guns back despite the police being repeatedly warned. First he sounds like a head case and secondly the police are 100% to blame for this tragedy. Pleased to see that you believe everything the DM says as gospel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted March 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 That is fine. My point was that it was pointless the OP posting the link without commenting on the contents. If that is acceptable I may in future post links for the Financial Times, New Scientist, Lincolnshire Life or Playboy without further comment. I didn't know I have to comment in my original post. Shared it because it is relevant to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Pleased to see that you believe everything the DM says as gospel. So what part is not true? I am always willing to-be enlightened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 I didn't know I have to comment in my original post. Shared it because it is relevant to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 I know what you mean, but not to sound disrespectful.. car accidents involving death happen a lot and the media doesn't cover this as it's sort of normal. But a person shooting another is totally against the grain in this country, it just doesn't happen as often. We (as in gun owners) are not trying to do the antis job for them it's the media, in this case the daily mail that has published what has happened and the op chose to share said article on here for others to see. I totally agree with you the way the media attack gun ownership, but in this instance I believe it was more of an attack on the police. The media covers it of a car is used in a murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveboy Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 The media covers it of a car is used in a murder. This is true...A bloke used his car to run over a load of workers at a car wash last week and it was all over the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 think one of them died Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 It's not about the gun, it's not about a car it's about the licensing authority cocking it up yet again.Thats the point they are getting over,it wouldn't of stop him killing with a hammer,knife or his bare hands however.But they allowed him access to a gun. My brother in law was stabbed multiple times by his unhinged partner while he slept.She even told the bin man she was going to kill him that very same morning.Unknown to David or us she had a history or mental health and had threatened to kill a number of people over the years. After the inquest we found out and that there was years of documentation before she even met David.The report said that the health authority had failed and that although they had documented threats to kill,they took no action. We don't blame her,we blame the authority that failed to help her and failed to protect the general public. It's the same with the licensing authority, they should never of allowed that man,just like the Atherton case,his gun back knowing there was a history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Such a waste of life, from the news report is sounds as if the old boy was a bit of a loose canon, literally. He probably had not seen his doctor in years so any mental issues would not be revealed. We don't know the whole story and his partner might have been the sort to taunt him to despair, who knows but as said earlier guns don't kill people, people do. A gun does make it easier to kill someone in a mad explosion of temper, killing with a knife or clubbing someone to death does give the victim more chance to escape. As long as there are guns these things will happen and the gun hating masses gain more strength to ban everything. What is important are the things that don't make the news, the many killings with illegal guns, mainly handguns, and the low percentage of carnage with licensed firearms. The police made a fatal error in their judgement this time but how many of us know people with firearms that may not have the best of temperaments to do so ? Our thoughts must be with the family of the victims, as for the police, maybe we should have a little more sympathy for them to, I would not want to make a decision on firearm ownership on someone I don't really know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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