Bigbob Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Right here's a scenario The police bring your son home hes 12 the charge him with something in front of you .then they have to take him to the police station to question him only your no allowed to travel with him you have to follow in your own car . But they start to question him in the car good cop bad cop i can be your mate etc . i thought they had to take him to the station and await you and or social worker as he is under age and shouldnt be talking to him till a responsible adult was there ? so does that make anything said in the car illegal and worthless ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Bobby's jobs are hard enough today. Don't attempt to shelter your child if he is in the wrong. from Auntie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 They can't actually question him without an adult there so anything said in the car won't mean a great deal if I'm correct. Bobby's jobs are hard enough today. Don't attempt to shelter your child if he is in the wrong. from Auntie. Well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 They can't actually question him without an adult there so anything said in the car won't mean a great deal if I'm correct. Well said If he was arrested then any thing said can be submitted in the officers statement/notebook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Any info they found out in the car will be used as an angle to approach from in a interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Who said the boy is in the wrong though? What happened to innocent till proven guilty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Right to remain silent but anything you do say maybe used... So they can talk, up to him to answer.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Good luck with this one, I am watching with interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Over 10 years of age he,s considered responsible and can be charged with offences ,as to the separate cars as Rimfire said it.l give the angles to question him with in the recorded interview whilst your present .Good luck hope you sort it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted May 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Very interesting thanks for the replys my kids are 27 and 21 so its only hypothetical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph5172 Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 So what was the point in posting the OP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted May 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Im right into thrillers and i wanted opinions or a lawyers view i believe in keeping it real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph5172 Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Im right into thrillers and i wanted opinions or a lawyers view i believe in keeping it real Just curious hence asking the question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 If he was arrested then any thing said can be submitted in the officers statement/notebook. Fair enough Right to remain silent but anything you do say maybe used... So they can talk, up to him to answer.. Forgot that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted May 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 My thoughts where a good lawyer would of ripped them a new one for no following procedure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted May 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Right to remain silent but anything you do say maybe used... So they can talk, up to him to answer.. A 12 year olds no going to know that and they treated him like im your mate , hows your family life etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 They should have a solicitor and an appropriate adult. Most likely scenario is that the solicitor will meet them on their own, write a statement and read it on their behalf in the recorded interview. If the young person has any sense they will say "no comment" to every question. The appropriate adult basically makes sure the Police don't bully over force the young person into something. Those that complain that the law have it tough etc, the law is only as good as those that follow and uphold it. If those that uphold the law act outside of it then it's a complete joke. I would hope people can see the sense in that. In most cases I don't think the Police would intensely question someone in the car like you mentioned, most I have met are very professional and know it's not quite right. That's just my experience however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 My thoughts where a good lawyer would of ripped them a new one for no following procedure There was a nothing wrong with chatting in the car, this often when the police gather any 'significant statements', an important tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 There was a nothing wrong with chatting in the car, this often when the police gather any 'significant statements', an important tool. Maybe with adults, for a child however I'd be adamant that if it went to court the defence solicitor would tear into the Police if they used anything in evidence that was said without 1) an appropriate adult and 2) a solicitor present. They could very easily claim they had bullied or intimidated or even played the "how's your family" whatever card. I often act as appropriate adult and from my experience the Police I have met are very professional and make sure they're not alone with the young person incase they are accused of this. If it was a serious case then in my experience they send CID who know the procedure and follow it rigidly. I doubt they'd want a case dismissed because they didn't follow proper procedure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Agreed, but how does this work if the child does indeed blurt significant statement out, do the police ignore it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted May 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Say it was CID and they wanted him away from his father , And we know your parents are split up is this why you did what you did . Is this playing on his emotions ? Or bartering a confession Take it the next steps the children's panel unless its really serious . But any minor would then be assigned a social worker if so how long would he have a social worker till the age of maturity 18 ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinchesterDave Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 When I locked up an 11 year old lad, his mother came with us in the car to custody being the 'appropriate' adult.. loosely put appropriate but that is a different story. I've only been a special for just short of two years, so cant comment too much on the matter having only dealt with a similar situation once before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 For a start off, it is unlikely they are going to haul him and yourself to the nick, if they don't have reasonable suspicion that he has done something wrong. OK I'm 27yrs out of date, but only initial comment when arrested/detained and the recorded interview would be offered in evidence. Personally I never bothered with juveniles unless I had them dead to rights in the first place. Take them home, give parents and kid a good lecture on future behaviour, note in the occurrence book for the other crews for future reference to keep an eye on him/her. But that was in the good old days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Right here's a scenario The police bring your son home hes 12 the charge him with something in front of you .then they have to take him to the police station to question him only your no allowed to travel with him you have to follow in your own car . But they start to question him in the car good cop bad cop i can be your mate etc . i thought they had to take him to the station and await you and or social worker as he is under age and shouldnt be talking to him till a responsible adult was there ? so does that make anything said in the car illegal and worthless ?. See this..............http://www.civilrightsmovement.co.uk/rights-if-your-child-arrested.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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