ordnance Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) Not many I would have thought. Six people killed today in Florida - perpetrator took own life. Last year 49 people killed in nightclub - perpetrator shot by police. Your point. ? If they doint trust the police to carry firearms there is non chance of civilians being allowed to carry firearms. Unless you live in this part of the UK and are at risk of a terrorist attack. Edited June 5, 2017 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellbert Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Am I correct in saying that once an armed officer shoots someone they are suspended until investigation is finished and that can take 2 years? yes thats correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellbert Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 the reason so many shots are fired is to stop the central nervous system still operating ,which could prevent the detanation of a suicide vest . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Sterling work by the police imo. A fast and deadly response to the attack, just what was needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 the reason so many shots are fired is to stop the central nervous system still operating ,which could prevent the detanation of a suicide vest . Surly a hit in the spinal cord above the shoulders or head shot would be needed to shut down the nervous system to the rest of the body? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Its much safer without civilians carrying short arms. Blackpowder That has to be an opinion as there are no UK statistics to show otherwise. It doesn't even have to be a firearm; even a pepper spray would be a step in the right direction. Anything has to be an improvement on being totally defenceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellbert Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 using imformation obtained from Israel it was found that head shots in the T of the face destroyed the cortex of the brain rendering the central nervous system useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 using imformation obtained from Israel it was found that head shots in the T of the face destroyed the cortex of the brain rendering the central nervous system useless Well I thought that is what I was saying in my reply to your post 53, confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 using imformation obtained from Israel it was found that head shots in the T of the face destroyed the cortex of the brain rendering the central nervous system useless Trying to shoot someone in the head at a distance especially with a handgun is a very difficult shot, they would probably aim centre mass, if as in this case they were wearing suicide vests (fake) they would be justified in finishing them off with a head shot. Critical shotThere will be circumstances when aiming directly for the head will be necessary, as aiming to strike another part of the body would: be impractical in the circumstances present increased risk to life be unlikely to achieve immediate incapacitation. A ‘critical shot’ is a shot or shots intended to immediately incapacitate the subject. A critical shot should only be fired when absolutely necessary in defence of a person when there is an imminent and extreme risk to life from unlawful violence. A critical shot is a shot or shots to the head, if possible, or otherwise to the central nervous system or major organs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Surly a hit in the spinal cord above the shoulders or head shot would be needed to shut down the nervous system to the rest of the body? Easily done in a stressful situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Does any one have statistics that show the amount of attacks stopped in the USA by civilians who carry ? Seems they don't collect such data,but I found this................And the Violence Policy Center, in a report released in February, documented 722 shooting deaths since May 2007 caused by private citizens who were licensed to carry concealed weapons. In every case documented, the killing had nothing at all to do with self-defense. Because there is no systematic gathering of data on such killings, the center gleaned the information from news reports and notes that the deaths “are only an unknown fraction of the unreported number of similar incidents that routinely occur across the nation.” That said, The Washington Post lists 10 occurrences where Jo Public has intervened with firearms.......https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/03/do-civilians-with-guns-ever-stop-mass-shootings/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 yes thats correct Crazy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 back in the mid 80s in Ireland I was involved in a patrol we found a bomb to cut a long story short , we kept are cool but reported it straight away we was air lifted out and interviewed by the elite they went and waited and sure enough shot two known players one dead one injured the medic took over the situation before the SAS could finish the job true story , the injured one survived and had escaped from the maize prison previous to offend , morale to the story if he had 50 rounds in him before he had been sentenced he wouldn't have escaped to try and blow me or who ever the devise was set up for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 back in the mid 80s in Ireland I was involved in a patrol we found a bomb to cut a long story short , we kept are cool but reported it straight away we was air lifted out and interviewed by the elite they went and waited and sure enough shot two known players one dead one injured the medic took over the situation before the SAS could finish the job true story , the injured one survived and had escaped from the maize prison previous to offend , morale to the story if he had 50 rounds in him before he had been sentenced he wouldn't have escaped to try and blow me or who ever the devise was set up for Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Crazy! It's not, it's right, we can't have anybody shooting someone dead and no subsequent investigation, where would that leave us? I'm not saying it was wrong, but we need to have controls and measures, they need to be far far quicker if two years is true, I don't imagine the 'police' who shot them will have much issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland. northern mate I was based in omagh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil w Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 My,my. There's a lot of Ex service men on here. Thank you, for your enrolment, for Queen and country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 I don't think that all police should be armed, a copper with a gun but is not willing to use it could be a lot worse that no copper at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 northern mate I was based in omagh I am sure you were kept busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 I am sure you were kept busy. lol to be honest I enjoyed the two years I was there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 I don't think that all police should be armed, a copper with a gun but is not willing to use it could be a lot worse that no copper at all I think if a Islamist terrorist was stabling people and coming for you, few would have a issue using anything to stop them including a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Random as it maybe (and whilst I'm no fan of poetry) I rather liked this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 lol to be honest I enjoyed the two years I was there You would be well aware then that the police here are armed on and off duty with no real issues. I would be interested on your view regards the police being armed in the rest of the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 I suspect that the suicide vest/no vest issue would not have overridden the need to hit the centre of mass for a number of reasons, not least of which the employment of dead-man's switches on suicide devices to overcome the issue of dying before being able to trigger a device. I reckon the police fired to put them down and kept doing so until they were sure, and would have done so whether they thought they would be caught in any blast or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Who gives a **** whether it was 3, 53, or a 153 rounds used, excellent result, & the bonus is the UK doesn't have to feed & water them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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