Geo Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 I shot walked up partridge at a gundog FT the other day and can absolutely guarantee I saw no barrell and no bead whatsoever. Furthermore there would have been absolutely no time to put a red dot a ring or anything else on those birds. I haven't tried one so wont dismiss them for certain scenario but walked up partridge ain't one of them. I am with you on this . I can't see this transferring from shooting clays that are predictable and slowing down to partridge that are accelerating over hedges and shot instinctively in a very short window of opportunity. I am not the greatest clay shot , probably average 65% most of the time so it might help me with this, but I would want the improvement to carry over into my game shooting and I am not convinced it would happen. If anyone has tried it I would like to know how they got on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 I am with you on this . I can't see this transferring from shooting clays that are predictable and slowing down to partridge that are accelerating over hedges and shot instinctively in a very short window of opportunity. I am not the greatest clay shot , probably average 65% most of the time so it might help me with this, but I would want the improvement to carry over into my game shooting and I am not convinced it would happen. If anyone has tried it I would like to know how they got on. I am same mate. I am a good trap shooter, not too bad on game but my sporting clays are not brilliant at about 70% ish due to over analysing stupid presentations. Personally I think a red dot would make me over analyse even more. See it, chuck gun up and shoot it, seems to work for me, I fear this thing would be see it, chuck gun up, look for red dot, look for correct lead...and if the clay or bird hadn't landed by this stage a miss would no doubt be the last bit...for me anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 I am same mate. I am a good trap shooter, not too bad on game but my sporting clays are not brilliant at about 70% ish due to over analysing stupid presentations. Personally I think a red dot would make me over analyse even more. See it, chuck gun up and shoot it, seems to work for me, I fear this thing would be see it, chuck gun up, look for red dot, look for correct lead...and if the clay or bird hadn't landed by this stage a miss would no doubt be the last bit...for me anyway. If you See it, chuck gun up and shoot it, you will be fine with this sight but if you fear this thing would be see it, chuck gun up, look for red dot, look for correct lead your not a shooter but an aimer and you will miss. A lot of over thinking going on here they are easy to use and not an obstruction to shotgun marksmanship if they obstruct you you are already aiming and you are going to miss sight on the rib or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 I think I agree with most of the post above .... but can you help me understand how you use it? It appears you recommend ignoring it (as I would a normal bead) ... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) If you See it, chuck gun up and shoot it, you will be fine with this sight but if you fear this thing would be see it, chuck gun up, look for red dot, look for correct lead your not a shooter but an aimer and you will miss. A lot of over thinking going on here they are easy to use and not an obstruction to shotgun marksmanship if they obstruct you you are already aiming and you are going to miss sight on the rib or not. From reading your comments it seems to me that the red dot sight is effectively worthless as you look past it anyway. If this is the case why bother with it at all? Edited September 7, 2017 by grrclark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 As it seems that many shooters see nothing but the bird - whatever that might be - then the term, 'sight picture' that is often bandied about would appear to be nothing else than said bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 I think that oversimplifies it ..... you can only focus on one thing, but your barrel will always be in peripheral vision (if you choose to look at what you want to hit). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Precisely. But in many cases that is not what is being said and it must confuse the poor novice who's doing his/her best to get to grips with everything. Provided that you concentrate/focus on the one thing, then the barrels in your peripheral vision together with the focused object make up the sight picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 These knock offs might be of interest to some though so will bring them up at the next competition. I have tried clays with a S1 shotgun with a 'proper' red-dot (Eotech XPS2) and found that 7/10 the 'hood' of the sight was right where the lead for the clay was The originals are down to £35ish now and there seems little to choose between these and the Chinese ones, planning to try PS with the 3 shot 1187 this weekend with Rambo on top! Probably handicapping myself too much!! I tried clays with my relatively expensive Shield ring and dot sight with little success but this passive dot seemed spot on for me, so who knows? So many factors to take into account, but isn't that part of the joy of shooting? When it all works it's so rewarding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 I consider it like driving a car, we are aware of where the bonnet is when staying in lane or if negotiating between hazards, but we never actually steer the car whilst focussing on the bonnet. The barrel will always be in your peripheral vision, as is the bead if you have one, but you are never focussing on the bead or barrels. The sight picture is the relationship of the barrels/bead in your peripheral vision relative to the target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 I see it like this if I see the bead, I have took my eye off the target and wile I am staring longingly at the gun I have reduced my swing and i miss. I don't stare at the bead or in this case the the red dot is probably a better description than dont see it. I know its there and I dare say some where in the sub conscience i actually see it and could even react to it instinctively to some degree but over thinking can lead to nagging doubts and I believe confidence is everything go with your instinct and it just happens if your gun fits you or you have enough experience to pick up a gun and adapt to it some guns i own dont fit me perfect but I am familiar enough with handling them it effects me little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedly47 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 I'm thinking of getting one for a hushpower, now anyone who shoots a hushpower knows it takes time to learn how to shoot it! It took me a couple of hours and 20 or so missed birds before I clicked.. I think I'll get one and try and fabricate a mount as it might help with the "first few shots (misses) until I "click" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 I am with you on this . I can't see this transferring from shooting clays that are predictable and slowing down to partridge that are accelerating over hedges and shot instinctively in a very short window of opportunity. I am not the greatest clay shot , probably average 65% most of the time so it might help me with this, but I would want the improvement to carry over into my game shooting and I am not convinced it would happen. If anyone has tried it I would like to know how they got on. see post 236 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srspower Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 So this is the one you bought? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Red-Fiber-Red-Holographic-Scope-Sight-Dot-Sight-For-Shotgun-Rib-Rail-Hunting-/382086324881?hash=item58f61ea291:g:0NcAAOSwjqVZG71Q Don't you need to zero it? How do you do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Explained i bore sighted mine in post 247, wind age is via the four grub screws and elevation via the front grub screw which is enough adjustment for centring a pattern to 50 to 60yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 The originals are down to £35ish now and there seems little to choose between these and the Chinese ones, planning to try PS with the 3 shot 1187 this weekend with Rambo on top! Probably handicapping myself too much!! I tried clays with my relatively expensive Shield ring and dot sight with little success but this passive dot seemed spot on for me, so who knows? So many factors to take into account, but isn't that part of the joy of shooting? When it all works it's so rewarding Where are they for that price?? Direct from Easyhit they're £160 now! http://www.easyhit.co.uk/psx1000.php With proper use of a red dot sight you don't look at the sight, or even the dot, you look through the sight at the target and the dot/ring is superimposed in space. When you're using it properly you're barely consciously aware of it, you just see the target and your brain knows that its time to pull the trigger. Its harder to explain than actually do! With moving targets, especially laterally moving (long distance crossers) you can't actually do this as the amount of lead is outside the lens of the sight and this sometimes forces your mind to look at the dot. So unless you can train your brain to ignore the hood of the sight it may not work as it should. I have discussed this cheapy job with some friends and one of them has ordered one so i'll look forward to giving it a try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 My mate and I use our red dots on our hushpower mossbergs as like u said the big silencer can make it tricky to shoot them with just a bead sight . Also .I've never yet had to give so much lead on a bird that its outside of the screen .Not even close . That just isnt an issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Well that's not my experience of using a red dot and the one I've tried for clays (Eotech XPS2) has a 5mm wider window than these! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benthejockey Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Mine arrived yesterday 11 days after I ordered it 👍🏼 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Well that's not my experience of using a red dot and the one I've tried for clays (Eotech XPS2) has a 5mm wider window than these!Well it would depend on where you mount the sight .mine is as far back as possible on the action.which gives me a wide fov. And it has a large /wide glass lens .Obviously if you mount it far forward then u narrow your fov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Where are they for that price?? Direct from Easyhit they're £160 now! http://www.easyhit.co.uk/psx1000.php I must have been looking at a more expensive knock-off I guess 😀 £160 seems a tad expensive for what you get! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Breastman Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Where are they for that price?? Direct from Easyhit they're £160 now! http://www.easyhit.co.uk/psx1000.php I must have been looking at a more expensive knock-off I guess £160 seems a tad expensive for what you get! Yeah that's why no one bought them! .. Looks like you've got it just above the pistol grip somehow, rather than halfway down the handguard as in the retailers photos, so yes that would give you a monstrous FoV But its not how any one else seems to have their Rambo jobbies set up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 .. Mossberg 500 Zos red dot On a weaver rail Though my mate has an easy hit on his rib on his mossy and again dont have to look out side the screen Mounted as far back as poss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Mine just arrived - 11 days, not bad going. As already said, well packaged in a sturdy box and with just a quick look seems well made. Thing is, now I've got it what am I going to do with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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