Scully Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 I’m in the market for a HW100 ( not sure which variant yet ) which will mainly be used for rabbit control in and around typically large gardens. What I can’t decide is which calibre and whether or not there is any advantage in going for S1. I understand I may have opened a can of worms here, but advice from those in the know would be invaluable. I intend to ring local RFD tomorrow. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 I used .22 for years but now use .177 exclusively. For most rifles in .177 you can zero at 35 yards and be almost flat shooting from 14 yards to 38 yards. Easy to apply a little holdover out to 45 yards which is a sensible limit although some can and do reach out further when conditions are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Scully I was always a .22 man but now I’m a .177 convert in the pcp guns I still have a .22 HW95 that never gets used. If you plan on going FAC i would go for .25 as I think this is the caliber that benefits the most from the extra without going over the top on pellet size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Thanks both. I’ve always been .22 biased and mate who has one tells me this is the way to go, but I like the flatter shooting .177. Good to know it carries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 have a read, if you haven't already of the .22 or .25 threads with regards fac, there is really good info with regards power and ranges, personally I would say stick with.22 as .177 pellets are very fidly, but you might be better off asking if anyone you know can let you borrow a gun for a week in both flavours and see how you get on. It's been slow on here recently anyway so a which calibres best is always fun. Just had my bottles refilled and .22 hitting near enough at 20 &25mtrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 If it's for rabbits in sub 12 .then .177 all the way .there really is no valid argument for a .22. If section 1 .then take your pick of .177 .22 or .25 .They all shoot around 900 fps and have similar trajectories. The .25 will have more range as its more stable for longer ranges . in Fac .177 .out to about 65 yds ., .22 out to 75 .and .25 out to around 85 yds. These are realistic .with another 5 yds max of your lucky . Don't forget though as you go up in cal so does the fallout risk and backstop awareness .i think of my. 25 cal 45 fpe more as a .22 rim fire than an airgun . By contrast a fac. 177 around 16 fpe requires less back stop consideration than a sub 12 .22 . It's all about balance . Personally for a large garden id go .either sub or fac. 177 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Tough call Scully but good luck with your choice of gun. In PCP i use a Falcon Prairie in .22 a Daystate hunstman in .177 and a Daystate Wolverine B type in .25. The first two are sub 12 ft lbs the Wolverine is S1 and does 45 Ft lbs. They all get an outing now and again. I used to think .177 was ideal for bunny but nowadays i pull the .25 out of the cabinet in preference to the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teza Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 I have had both hw 100s and the 177 is better for rabbits , but now use aa ultimate sporter 177 , but hw 100 177 is better I think. teza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 hello, why a HW 100 Scully? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Ultrastu said: If it's for rabbits in sub 12 .then .177 all the way .there really is no valid argument for a .22. If section 1 .then take your pick of .177 .22 or .25 .They all shoot around 900 fps and have similar trajectories. The .25 will have more range as its more stable for longer ranges . in Fac .177 .out to about 65 yds ., .22 out to 75 .and .25 out to around 85 yds. These are realistic .with another 5 yds max of your lucky . Don't forget though as you go up in cal so does the fallout risk and backstop awareness .i think of my. 25 cal 45 fpe more as a .22 rim fire than an airgun . By contrast a fac. 177 around 16 fpe requires less back stop consideration than a sub 12 .22 . It's all about balance . Personally for a large garden id go .either sub or fac. 177 What about large gardens of six acres or more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 28 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, why a HW 100 Scully? I have used a mates in .22, and was really impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, Scully said: I have used a mates in .22, and was really impressed. hello, yes they are very well engineered and liked by many air rifle shooters, my preference is for something more lighter in weight and still have a good shot count Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
222mark Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 What about a .20 !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, 222mark said: What about a .20 !!!!! What about it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Is a six acre garden not a field or wood? Guess it depends on neighbours and what are they surrounded by? Usual thing of back stops and safe shooting would come into play as to whether sub 12 or fac. Scully, really have a play with a .177 you should be ok if your going for a magazine system, but old cold fingers and you may struggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 20 minutes ago, Whitebridges said: What about large gardens of six acres or more? Well that depends on safe back stops Does the garden have them? .what about neighbours? I shoot several large gardens and have my facs passed for them .and up to rim fire. But I only really use the .177 fac in them .and save the. 22 and .25 for farmland . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 have come across a few hw100,s in 22 that were carp,loads of flyers everywhere,mine included could get rid fast enough now the 177 size is perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 There was a load of faulty .22 hw barrels a while back .think they had to do a recall .as they were that bad .. Obviously loads slipped out and are still knocking about . Avoid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: Well that depends on safe back stops Does the garden have them? .what about neighbours? I shoot several large gardens and have my facs passed for them .and up to rim fire. But I only really use the .177 fac in them .and save the. 22 and .25 for farmland . Well Stu you obviously have an open FAC ticket so it's your choice to choose the gun and take the shot or not. Same as me ol' partner. Some "gardens" where i live are big with moats and flint brick walls 15 ft tall and four foot thick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 26 minutes ago, Whitebridges said: Well Stu you obviously have an open FAC ticket so it's your choice to choose the gun and take the shot or not. Same as me ol' partner. Some "gardens" where i live are big with moats and flint brick walls 15 ft tall and four foot thick. Fair enough. If the stops are good ,?crack on with the .25 cal .Mine is a formidable tool .and I love dropping rabbits out to 90 yds on still evenings .though a head shot is still required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Ive always had .22 in springers and .177 in PCP, just easier to load a 22 into a springer if you have fumbly fingers, I have an hw100kt in 177 just superb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 springer = .22,pcp = .177 and fac = .22 If you go with a sub 12 pcp then a .177 is going to shoot straighter and further,accuracy is everything though, but a .22 will be shorter range with more stopping power. just go fac .22 and use it almost anywhere. Have used all the above and these are just my humble opinions and it would have to be Air Arms of course and a multi shot is a must on live quarry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Thanks everyone. Loads of good info there; just what I was looking for . .177 it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 I’m in the minority i think? I always used air guns in .22 and was always satisfied, then I was bought a Hw95k in .177 for my 30 birthday. great gun after I had it tuned , it was a total mess in side straight from the box. i was expecting something different and amazing using this caliber, totally underwhelming.couldnt get to grips with it(no pun intended) , I had to many rabbits run and get to cover after being head shot, had pigeons fly off as well and drop into cover .I still own the 95 but only used at targets and it’s kept because it was a present from my then girlfriend and now wife . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 I'm just back into air rifles after a lag of over 60yrs. One or two of the above contributors pointed me to the TX200 in 177 and I have not been disappointed. I think you would be well advised to try the 177 as I have shot magpies, pigeons, rats, squirrels and rabbits out to 40yrds. Rabbits head shot only and the accuracy of the TX200 has proved more than adequate. Anything over 40yrds and I go to the 22RF if absolute quiet is required or the 17HMR. I find the 177 very flat shooting, requiring very little in hold over if you set your zero. Just a bit of quick thinking if the target is under 10yrds but easy enough with practise to get that right. I now use the 10.3g Exact Diabolo pellet and most times complete pass through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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