Gerry78 Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Wanted to ask what the forum would recommend cartridges for A AYA no 3 magnum my mates buy the cheapest carts they can find but i like to buy best cartridges i can afford had debate with firearms dealer who said its only woodies but i told him in no uncertain terms it might only be pigeons but i give them the respect i give any other game bird Any recommendations ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) Depends what you mean by cheap, can you still get cheap cartridges? 28 or 30 gram cartridge of 6-71/2 shot will kill most things within range. Most of the Lyalvale Express or Gamebore cartridges will do the job, the last lot I brought were Lyalvale Express, ENGLISH SPORTER 28 gram 7.5, I was pleasantly surprised at how good they were on crows and pigeons. £190 plaswad or £198 feltwad, (just cartridges) you may find them cheaper if you shop around. Edited December 27, 2017 by old'un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 I've got a bit of a thing for rc at the minute. I have found The fibre 32g romagnola hit like trains and have brought testing birds down with ease. The rc 2 also very good too. Pigeon power again are good and being red are easy to find if you have a semi. Not a fan of the special pigeon however ive not tried the new ones. Others will swear hy superfast. As has been said above, anything from size 7 and 28g up will do the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 If you are decoying within 45 yards, Gamebore White Gold or Black Gold 28g in fibre 7.5 (2.4mm No 7 UK) will drop them. If you are looking to go out a bit further for flighting with tighter chokes the Pigeon Extreme in No 5 (2.8mm) will also work at a cost. All are 70mm and will cycle an auto and not too short for a 76mm chamber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Gamebore supergame green shells , I use them for everything but clays . Cheap and easy to get hold of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 I have been recommended World Cup 6.5 fibre. (Express) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Hull Cartridge High Pheasant Extreme 5s they work ! Have been using the 34g fibre 5 recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 28 minutes ago, AYA117 said: Hull Cartridge High Pheasant Extreme 5s they work ! Have been using the 34g fibre 5 recently. £370 a thousand, what are you using them on?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Those hull super fast pigeon are good, used them on partridges as well to good effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Just now, old'un said: £370 a thousand, what are you using them on?? Seems a little excessive for pigeons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Cannot get my head around some of the loads people are using, 34, 36 and 38 grams of 4s and 5s, when 28-30 grams of 6s or 7.5s will kill just as many birds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Fiocchi Fblack 28 gram in 7.5 all day long failing that I will use any English 7 ounce load Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 1 minute ago, stevo said: Fiocchi Fblack 28 gram in 7.5 all day long failing that I will use any English 7 ounce load Yeah I would happily go for that and full choke if flighting or roosting them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Fiocchi I have wanted to try for sometime but not seen in Shropshire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, redial said: Fiocchi I have wanted to try for sometime but not seen in Shropshire. Just cartridges. Think there about £ 190 a thou off the top of my head. Plus £ 15 next day delivery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Ok when I was a lot younger (long time ago) I had it in my head that the bigger the load the more I would kill, I soon learnt the errors of my ways by an old professional pigeon shooter (now dead) all he ever used was Eley Impact 1oz and Eley grand prix 1.1/16, 6s (old paper case) shot from a Cogswell & Harrison boxlock pigeon gun, I watched in amazement as he killed pigeons out to 50 and 60 yards and very rarely missed, he was an extremely good shot on high pheasants and partridge with the same cartridges. Watching him kill those high birds proved to me that 30 grams of 6s placed correctly will kill as many birds as 34/36 grams of 4s or 5s at 50 and 60 yards, I have not used a load heavier than 30 grams of 6s or 7.5s for many years now and I have killed a few pigeons and black’uns over the years. Going back to your comment on your friends using cheap cartridges, fairly recently I used a few boxes of NSI uno prima 28 grams 7.5, that someone gave me, it stemmed from someone on this forum recommending them, now they are what I would call cheap compared to what’s on the market, I was that impressed with them I will be ordering a thousand when my stock of cartridges gets low, cheap does not mean bad, mind you I think cartridges are bloody expensive any way. NSI uno prima…..http://centralguns.co.uk/nobel-sport-italia-nsi/45-nsi-uno-prima.html#/25-wad-plastic/38-shot_size-75/49-load_gms-28_gms/46-quantity-1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 NSI are very similar to Fiocchi and again English size 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, old'un said: Ok when I was a lot younger (long time ago) I had it in my head that the bigger the load the more I would kill, I soon learnt the errors of my ways by an old professional pigeon shooter (now dead) all he ever used was Eley Impact 1oz and Eley grand prix 1.1/16, 6s (old paper case) shot from a Cogswell & Harrison boxlock pigeon gun, I watched in amazement as he killed pigeons out to 50 and 60 yards and very rarely missed, he was an extremely good shot on high pheasants and partridge with the same cartridges. Watching him kill those high birds proved to me that 30 grams of 6s placed correctly will kill as many birds as 34/36 grams of 4s or 5s at 50 and 60 yards, I have not used a load heavier than 30 grams of 6s or 7.5s for many years now and I have killed a few pigeons and black’uns over the years. Going back to your comment on your friends using cheap cartridges, fairly recently I used a few boxes of NSI uno prima 28 grams 7.5, that someone gave me, it stemmed from someone on this forum recommending them, now they are what I would call cheap compared to what’s on the market, I was that impressed with them I will be ordering a thousand when my stock of cartridges gets low, cheap does not mean bad, mind you I think cartridges are bloody expensive any way. NSI uno prima…..http://centralguns.co.uk/nobel-sport-italia-nsi/45-nsi-uno-prima.html#/25-wad-plastic/38-shot_size-75/49-load_gms-28_gms/46-quantity-1000 A week or so ago I was running low and used a few of these in size 8 (uk 7.5) at decoyed pigeon. Within 35 yards they folded up nicely. Out to 40 or maybe 45 I had the odd runner howevr my chokes were quite open. Cost £160 a thou from the local clay club. I' prefer size 6 rc something or other but the 7.5 did the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, GingerCat said: A week or so ago I was running low and used a few of these in size 8 (uk 7.5) at decoyed pigeon. Within 35 yards they folded up nicely. Out to 40 or maybe 45 I had the odd runner howevr my chokes were quite open. Cost £160 a thou from the local clay club. I' prefer size 6 rc something or other but the 7.5 did the job. As you most probably know NSI 7.5 are I think English 7s, I would not like to go much smaller than this, although it as been debated a lot on this forum, is it better to have multiple strikes with smaller shot (denser pattern) at 40 yards or fewer strikes with larger shot? Edited December 27, 2017 by old'un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, old'un said: As you most probably know NSI 7.5 are I think English 7s, I would not like to go much smaller than this, although it as been debated a lot on this forum, is it better to have multiple strikes with smaller shot (denser pattern) at 40 yards or fewer strikes with larger shot? Yep. The 8's I was using are (I think) uk 7.5. They did perfectly well out to reasonable ranges. My preferences is 6 or even 5.5 . I can't see a reason to go larger as the pattern will fail long before the power. A uk 7 is good to 40 yards. 28g is a good size load. There' no need to fire larger that 5.5 or 32g however variety is the spice of life and I'm sure someone will be along to correct me However the rc brand are very good and you won' go far wrong with them. Edited December 27, 2017 by GingerCat Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted December 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 IL Have a shop about prob go for game bore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningDJC Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Try a few and use whatever you have confidence in, I use RC sipe, not cheap but I don’t fire thousands and I have confidence in them and my gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 In the only days we used to put empties in the gun and shout bang! Not even any shot in the cartridge and we still hit 100,000 birds in a session. Not one of them was within 100yards, but now times change. I wish you guys would stop talking about half shotsizes, but i hear now there are .75 increments of shotsizes. It's nonsense. If you want a cheap decoy load, just shoot 7.5s maybe choked up. As an aside 6s and 32g is a traditional load, maybe even more than 30yarders. eley impax are no magical shell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adzyvilla Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Another vote for fiocchi. I have used quite a few different carts in the last year - eley special pigeon, gamebore super game and clear pigeon, hull super fast. But the pigeon 32 and pl30 (both 6s) I am currently working my way through are my favourites. They are a bit dirty though. Cheap too, I paid £180 for 1000 pl30s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 How far are you from Doncaster? i have a few you could try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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