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Konor Posted September 3, 2020 Report Share Posted September 3, 2020 Hi SKIP66 unfortunately I am not high tech but have photographed and posted an article that appeared in the Double Gun Journal that you might be interested in covering John Wilkes Gunmakers.It was in the Autumn 2010 edition ie Volume 21 Issue 3 and can be bought as a back issue from the publishers or perhaps on line second hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip66 Posted September 3, 2020 Report Share Posted September 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Konor said: Hi SKIP66 unfortunately I am not high tech but have photographed and posted an article that appeared in the Double Gun Journal that you might be interested in covering John Wilkes Gunmakers.It was in the Autumn 2010 edition ie Volume 21 Issue 3 and can be bought as a back issue from the publishers or perhaps on line second hand. Thankyou Konor,really kind of you to share that,ill read it this afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konor Posted September 3, 2020 Report Share Posted September 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, Skip66 said: Thankyou Konor,really kind of you to share that,ill read it this afternoon. You’re welcome. I had been trying to source some information on Webley boxlocks for another thread and remembered seeing the article yesterday. From what I’ve read the Wilkes brothers appear to have been characters in their day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jords Posted September 3, 2020 Report Share Posted September 3, 2020 hey guys, just picked up my first SxS today,a nearly new 28'' AYA no.2 based country man some beautiful guns on this thread i must say! all the best jords Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted September 3, 2020 Report Share Posted September 3, 2020 I remember visiting Beak Street in the 1980s and goodness it was filthy dirty inside a true workshop in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 @jords lovely gun, hope you get on well with it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin55 Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 On 03/09/2020 at 13:49, Konor said: Hi SKIP66 unfortunately I am not high tech but have photographed and posted an article that appeared in the Double Gun Journal that you might be interested in covering John Wilkes Gunmakers.It was in the Autumn 2010 edition ie Volume 21 Issue 3 and can be bought as a back issue from the publishers or perhaps on line second hand. Nice to see this, I think - and will check- that there's still a reference to 'gunmaker' on the exterior of 79 Beak St Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 On 04/09/2020 at 16:21, arjimlad said: @jords lovely gun, hope you get on well with it ! +1 At that price an RFD who I know would remark that you didn't buy it, you stole it. Nice one, well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simcgunner Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 Factory special order card. When Someone wanted a gun with specific dimensions and performance. 1 stock fit Monte Carlo stock,straight grip, lop, cast off, drop 2 single trigger in rear position set at 3 1/2 lbs pull. 3 barrels bored to shoot#4 and#5 shot 2 or 3 inches high 4 rib 1/2 inch wide at breech and 9/32 at muzzle. With Lyman ivory beads 5 Silvers pad 6 high grade walnut ,oil finished engraving in between grades The person ordering gun was specific on what he wanted. Cost $300 in 1911 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 On 03/09/2020 at 21:24, jords said: hey guys, just picked up my first SxS today,a nearly new 28'' AYA no.2 based country man some beautiful guns on this thread i must say! all the best jords Lovely gun AYA NO2 Great for game 👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 Early in the year, I bought a #1 AYA from the 80's, specifically to have it reopened to 1/2 1/2 and proofed for steel. There were countless arguments at the time about it not being necessary etc etc etc but anyway, I wanted the proof mark... Lockdown happened, then proof house taking 4 months to do anything and I was told yesterday the gun *failed* the proof... Bulged both barrels just at the forcing cones; the theory is that it was especialy lightweight barrels, and therefore less metal. Anyway, luckily, since it was part of my order, I'm getting a refund, and I'm therefore back on the market for "my" game gun. SxS, steel proof -- I was pondering Chapuis a while back, but I'm not sure they are still /entirely/ in business, as googling find just one distro, and I'm not sure their catalogue is current... Any other option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 That's not great news ! One option would be the Beretta 486 Parallelo .... 3" chanbers and steel proofed. You can get them with a straight hand stock and splinter forearm, but I've not seen one with double triggers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 27 minutes ago, Smokersmith said: You can get them with a straight hand stock and splinter forearm, but I've not seen one with double triggers. They are available with double triggers ........ in theory, but that may come at a price if you order new. Many years ago I bought a new SO 6, and wanted straight hand and double triggers. Unfortunately, it would be a special order from the factory - at nominally list price with 'possible' discount when delivered at some many months in the future and a large deposit payable with order, no choice of wood or ability to select wood. Or I could have a standard single trigger pistol grip now that very day with 50% discount on list price, choice of three viewable that very day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, buze said: Early in the year, I bought a #1 AYA from the 80's, specifically to have it reopened to 1/2 1/2 and proofed for steel. There were countless arguments at the time about it not being necessary etc etc etc but anyway, I wanted the proof mark... Lockdown happened, then proof house taking 4 months to do anything and I was told yesterday the gun *failed* the proof... Bulged both barrels just at the forcing cones; the theory is that it was especialy lightweight barrels, and therefore less metal. Any other option? Yes. Write to BASC et al and tell them this. Because otherwise the nonsense of this voluntary ban on lead for live quarry shooting far in excess of the restrictions on lead shot for live quarry shooting that are proposed under EU REACH will continue to gain traction. Edited September 25, 2020 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 48 minutes ago, buze said: the theory is that it was especialy lightweight barrels, and therefore less metal. AyA No 1 barrels are a different steel to No 2 (one of the relatively few differences) and are indeed slightly lighter. One of my AyAs is proofed at 1200 KPa, for the 30" 'heavy' barrels, and the 28" 'standard' barrels at 900 KPa. My No 1 is proofed at 900 KPa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 Are we right in assuming that the test was for “Superior” steel proof? I am not sure if the Proof Houses actually do a test for standard steel?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 minute ago, London Best said: Are we right in assuming that the test was for “Superior” steel proof? I am not sure if the Proof Houses actually do a test for standard steel?? I assume so, but I don't have the details, I'm going to see the gun tomorrow and take pics of the failed proofs, and yes, I'll forward the story to FieldSport Channel & BASC. The guys didn't beleive it when it came back, as they didn't even bother to tell anyone, just shipped it back as failed. Said they sent 8 ot 10 already and it's the first one that failed, in a way rather 'happy' that it's a "poor" man's gun that failed instead of one of their fancy stock costing £££££(£) -- but that from now on the reproofing will be at the buyer's risk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, London Best said: Are we right in assuming that the test was for “Superior” steel proof? I am not sure if the Proof Houses actually do a test for standard steel?? I tend to agree. My two barrel AyA set has a heavy duty action - proofed (in Spain) with the 28" barrels, but the 30" barrels have UK proof at 1200 KPa. The 'action' carries both Spanish and UK proof marks. Neither set is steel proof and both have 70mm chambers. Edited September 25, 2020 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, London Best said: Are we right in assuming that the test was for “Superior” steel proof? I am not sure if the Proof Houses actually do a test for standard steel?? Agree ... guns in nitro proof are already classed as OK for standard steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Smokersmith said: Agree ... guns in nitro proof are already classed as OK for standard steel. In the OP’s position ( may be eventually, with a H&H) I would just have used standard steel and not bothered with the fleur de lays superior stamp. Basically poor Buze sent a lightweight game gun for magnum proof. Were the chambers deepened to 3 inch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 minute ago, London Best said: In the OP’s position ( may be eventually, with a H&H) I would just have used standard steel I was advised by my gunsmith that my AyA No 1 was OK for standard steel 2 3/4" loads, with plastic protective wads, but would not be suitable for HP under any circumstances (I believe too light 'overall'). In practice, as steel comes with plastic wads and our shoot (landlord) forbids plastic wads - at present I simply don't shoot wildfowl, and continue to shoot game with lead. (I don't shoot woodcock at all anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buze Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, London Best said: In the OP’s position ( may be eventually, with a H&H) I would just have used standard steel and not bothered with the fleur de lays superior stamp. Basically poor Buze sent a lightweight game gun for magnum proof. Were the chambers deepened to 3 inch? No I just wanted HP steel; I've shot RC3's 2"3/4 for a while and they are HP, but not magnum. The gun *had* to be rechocked and therefore reproofed anyway as it was 3/4 and I'm pretty sure you can't shoot even "normal" steel in more than 1/2 anyway. And in any case, I'm glad this happened without my face on the gun -- PERHAPS the gun failed way short of the HP pressure, we'll never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 (edited) I refuse to buy plastic wads now. I did use some steel when the wildfowl laws first came in and found it very effective but don’t shoot so many duck/geese today so just use bismuth/tungsten. Yeah, good job your face was miles away Buze. Just a thought, choke alteration does not require reproof. Edited September 25, 2020 by London Best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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