Uilleachan Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 Dave Carrie pattern testing vids show good patterns with his gun at 55 yards with 3/4 choke and gamebore plastic & fibre wadded shells. Vid here using pigeon extreme 5's in plastic and with Grouse extreme in fibre: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 Just watched that video. Is it just me that believes that it is totally meaningless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 shotguns are rather simple really. if anyone is seriously contemplating extreme distances, maybe a 10 gauge + bigload is on the cards. afterall it is doable, is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 2 hours ago, wymberley said: Just watched that video. Is it just me that believes that it is totally meaningless? I wouldn't say totally meaningless, but not particularly meaningful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 49 minutes ago, motty said: I wouldn't say totally meaningless, but not particularly meaningful. Yep, that'll do nicely. You can tell they're used to long range shooting. If it's thought that a DVD is representative of the vulnerable area of a pheasant they've obviously never seen one up close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 That vid makes me laugh . 3 pellet holes in a dvd at 55 yds .and he thinks thats gonna kill a pheasant ? Nah not a chance . There were some huge gaps in that card where that dvd wouldnt have been touched at all .he needs to reduce the range to 40 yds max and make it more meaningful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipper Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 It’s usually a 4” circle that represents the killing circle for a game bird not5” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotgcoalman Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 Thought the "industry standard" was 40 yards and pellet count in a 30" circle 🤔 Not 55 yards at a free porn Dvd out of the Sunday Sport.😕 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, gotgcoalman said: Thought the "industry standard" was 40 yards and pellet count in a 30" circle 🤔 Not 55 yards at a free porn Dvd out of the Sunday Sport.😕 🤣😂😅 Was out today shooting crows with my mate .and carrion crows at 40 + yds didnt drop to blackgold.no5 But get them within 35 and they were toast. And as we were using moderated 20b with 1/2 and 3/4 choke. You can actually hear the pellets hit the bird and watch it fly on. . I think 55 yds is 15 yds too far. Let alone 70 yds is a joke. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Ultrastu said: 🤣😂😅 Was out today shooting crows with my mate .and carrion crows at 40 + yds didnt drop to blackgold.no5 But get them within 35 and they were toast. And as we were using moderated 20b with 1/2 and 3/4 choke. You can actually hear the pellets hit the bird and watch it fly on. . I think 55 yds is 15 yds too far. Let alone 70 yds is a joke. . Surely you can't compare a moderated 20b (presumably using "sensible" velocities) with 34g+ loads of 5's fired through a 12 gauge ? I think 55 yards is within a whole lot of peoples and loads capabilities, 70 yards is too risky because wounding becomes inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Ultrastu said: 🤣😂😅 Was out today shooting crows with my mate .and carrion crows at 40 + yds didnt drop to blackgold.no5 But get them within 35 and they were toast. And as we were using moderated 20b with 1/2 and 3/4 choke. You can actually hear the pellets hit the bird and watch it fly on. . I think 55 yds is 15 yds too far. Let alone 70 yds is a joke. . Your 40 yard crows should have been toast. You didn't do your bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotgcoalman Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 40 yards measured. Home load 32g #4 subsonic. Hatstand pump with a hushpower can. Use these up to 50 yards on magpies feeding on the ground not in flight. Pattern opens up a lot with the extra 10 yards though. 70 yards you could probably fit a cow through the holes in the pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, motty said: Your 40 yard crows should have been toast. You didn't do your bit. Exactly 100% agree. Far too many Blame there tools and not themselves. I'd love to tell the story about the " Na Sayers " regarding " Nutting Geese at 50yrd with a .410. Short version i won the bet along with a Public apologize ( on another Forum ) after a witnessed 4 for 4. Respected member Anser2 has also witnessed what 32grm of 7.5 Winchester Trap 200 will do to Foreshore Pinks under the chin Edited October 19, 2018 by 6.5x55SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, Hamster said: Surely you can't compare a moderated 20b (presumably using "sensible" velocities) with 34g+ loads of 5's fired through a 12 gauge ? I think 55 yards is within a whole lot of peoples and loads capabilities, 70 yards is too risky because wounding becomes inevitable. Both 20b sgotguns were shooting gamebore blackgold.no5 32 grm So nearly the same as your 34 grm grm no5 from a 12b . And it was happeing to both both of us He has a hatsan semi .me a mossy 500 Its been this way for the last 3 years of shooting these guns so nothing new . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, Ultrastu said: Both 20b sgotguns were shooting gamebore blackgold.no5 32 grm So nearly the same as your 34 grm grm no5 from a 12b . And it was happeing to both both of us He has a hatsan semi .me a mossy 500 It's not my 34g, 😂 what speed are these loads ? You're not seriously telling us 5-10 yards meant they went from toast to their feathers acting like armour ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 Gamebore black gold .?? You not heard of them ? Best and fastest cart available? No ? 😨 Yes im saying 10 yds makes all the difference .energy falls off pattern opens up . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) You said the extra 5 yrds was the deciding factor earlier. Now its 10 yrds ? Perhaps your 40 yrd crows were actually at 50 ! Edited October 19, 2018 by JJsDad Mis quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, JJsDad said: You said 5 yrds was the deciding factor earlier. Now its 10 yrds ? Perhaps your 40 yrd crows were actually at 50 ! Not me! 16 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: Gamebore black gold .?? You not heard of them ? Best and fastest cart available? No ? 😨 Yes im saying 10 yds makes all the difference .energy falls off pattern opens up . Have you been using a shotgun long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 It was actually me, because he said : at 40 + yds didnt drop to blackgold.no5 But get them within 35 and they were toast. I gave him the benefit of the doubt but technically it can be interpreted as 5 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, motty said: Not me! Correct. Apologies, I was laughing that much at the figures that I mis-quoted ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 A Black Gold 5 will be 3mm .... so either a carp pattern, or the edge of it. 2.7mm lead drops corvids all day long at 50 yards. Get some cheaper shells and invest in some lessons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 There are a lot of people on here that really cant range find at all . I know i can . I have shooting silverware to prove it . But ive said enough on this topic . Im done . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakapiken Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 22 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: There are a lot of people on here that really cant range find at all . I know i can . I have shooting silverware to prove it . But ive said enough on this topic . Im done . Thank you. I’m out of popcorn and need A beer....😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, dipper said: It’s usually a 4” circle that represents the killing circle for a game bird not5” The 4" is good for partridge and the DVD for pigeon because they both relate to the vulnerable area of the bird. The 5" is very useful for assessing pattern quality once you've ascertained the density. At one time this method was used to measure pattern density as there is a known relationship between a given density and the number of times a 5" disc can be placed in the 30 " circle without covering any pellet holes and the discs do not overlap. Edit: Better quickly add that, as ever with a shotgun when patterning it, that's on average. Edited October 19, 2018 by wymberley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 9 hours ago, wymberley said: Just watched that video. Is it just me that believes that it is totally meaningless? yes i agree he only fires one shot at the target, do it 5 times and you will get different results every time how can you judge consistency with 1 shot a stationary target hes a very good game and clay shot dave carrie and pulls some awesome birds down in his vids but in the pattern tests he fires one shot at a dvd and if 2 or 3 pellets hit it he says I,m happy with that, that will kill a pheasant and it will but I would like see him fire 10 shots and see the results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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