markm Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, JRDS said: Patronising, I think you will find she has crossed every single one of her red lines. Quote them “skim reader” of course, give us the solution as well. Edited November 14, 2018 by markm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul1440 Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: What exactly have they signed off on in her final proposal? Can anyone enlighten me too? Got newsnight on and still no wiser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 Got to go through the house of commons first, hopefully it'll get kicked out, May along with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 36 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said: Got to go through the house of commons first, hopefully it'll get kicked out, May along with it. I think thats the plan TBH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 We're Doomed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: We're Doomed! At least that’s a nice pic of you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 Actually he's a deadringer for Walker570! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Ruler Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 May’s not out of the woods yet, the NI minister has gone, who’ll be the next to resign? Esther McVey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted November 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 9 hours ago, markm said: Quote them “skim reader” of course, give us the solution as well. She has left us indefinitely in the Customs Union with all that entails and under the control of the ECJ until THEY decide we can leave. That is most definitely not leaving!!! It is not my job to sort Leaving it is Governments there should have been a plan before the vote was even offered but as we deal with the rest of the world on WTO with no issues we should have left with no deal on those terms then negotiated from a position of strength. May is nothing but an EU Quisling and I hope she is gone by then end of the month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, JRDS said: She has left us indefinitely in the Customs Union with all that entails and under the control of the ECJ until THEY decide we can leave. That is most definitely not leaving!!! It is not my job to sort Leaving it is Governments there should have been a plan before the vote was even offered but as we deal with the rest of the world on WTO with no issues we should have left with no deal on those terms then negotiated from a position of strength. May is nothing but an EU Quisling and I hope she is gone by then end of the month. I guess it all depends now whether Mogg wants to put forth the vote of no confidence and see who stands up with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 Two resignations so far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 Raab has just jumped! waiting on the vote of no confidence ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted November 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) When your 2nd Brexit Secretary resigns it should tell you something, well done Dominic Raab for having some principle. That is about the worst resignation she could get. Edited November 15, 2018 by JRDS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 Just now, JRDS said: well done Dominic Raab for having some principle. He was the bloke who negotiated it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 Surely it is inevitable that she must walk! Just now, Retsdon said: He was the bloke who negotiated it! He was involved but not from the outset, Davis went as well as he couldn't accept what she seems to want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shalfordninja33 Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 May gone in 48hrs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: I guess it all depends now whether Mogg wants to put forth the vote of no confidence and see who stands up with him. The economy’s “losers”, as Rees-Mogg ... called them, who “do not excel in problem-solving or possess globally marketable skills”, would turn to nationalism and bitter nostalgia. They would “seek to thwart the movement of capital and people across borders”. Two decades ago, The Sovereign Individual prophesied that in the 21st century, “many of the ablest people” would use “clearheaded cost-benefit analysis” to assess what was in their best interests. They would “cease to think of themselves as party to a nation”. “My father, with whom I discussed all aspects of politics and finance, was the greatest influence in my professional life.” The respective words of the Rees-Moggs, father and son. I wouldn't trust Jacob Rees Mogg an inch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, Retsdon said: The economy’s “losers”, as Rees-Mogg ... called them, who “do not excel in problem-solving or possess globally marketable skills”, would turn to nationalism and bitter nostalgia. They would “seek to thwart the movement of capital and people across borders”. Two decades ago, The Sovereign Individual prophesied that in the 21st century, “many of the ablest people” would use “clearheaded cost-benefit analysis” to assess what was in their best interests. They would “cease to think of themselves as party to a nation”. “My father, with whom I discussed all aspects of politics and finance, was the greatest influence in my professional life.” The respective words of the Rees-Moggs, father and son. I wouldn't trust Jacob Rees Mogg an inch. The man , all men , have a right to change their minds when circumstances change. 20 years is a long time in politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yod dropper Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) Not spineless. She's between a rock and a hard place. Parliament is not representative of the people on this issue. If given the choice, I cannot see parliament voting through the result of the referendum or what either of them had in their manifesto about leaving the single market and the customs union. 26 minutes ago, Retsdon said: He was the bloke who negotiated it! No he wasn't (Dominic Raab). It's the civil servant Ollie Robbins. He was also the reason David Davis resigned who was working on one paper, whilst Mr Robbins worked on another done in conjunction with Teresa May. Edited November 15, 2018 by yod dropper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 when the Belgium delegate (Eve Hoshdat...or what ever his name is) .....is contented with the "draft"...then you know it is a bad deal for us..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: Raab has just jumped! waiting on the vote of no confidence ... But who is there who can do a better job?. It was always a poison chalice, nobody with half an ounce of common sense it going to want to step into Mays shoes. May should not have trusted Oliver Robbins, he's not done her any favours in my opinion. They are still going to be arguing over this in a hundred years time, only then they will have the benefit of hindsight. Edited November 15, 2018 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 Just now, Vince Green said: But who is there who can do a better job?. It was always a poison chalice, nobody with half an ounce of common sense it going to want to step into Mays shoes. May should not have trusted Oliver Robbins, he's not done her any favours in my opinion. Well there is probably no one who can do a worse job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, yod dropper said: No he wasn't (Dominic Raab). It's the civil servant Ollie Robbins. He was also the reason David Davis resigned who was working on one paper, whilst Mr Robbins worked on another done in conjunction with Teresa May. I'll happily concede that he didn't physically draft the agreement himself, but he was the 'Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union''. Are you suggesting that as Secretary of State he was so far behind on his brief that he had no idea of what was being discussed and agreed concerning the terms for 'exiting the European Union'? If that's the case, he must have been even more incompetent and feckless than even I'd given him credit for. Edited November 15, 2018 by Retsdon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Well there is probably no one who can do a worse job! +1 JRM for me , thats if he wants it. Hes clear and precise about what the vote was about, and delivering it. He also wont stand for any nonsense from Brussels. Lets put this into perspective, there have been ideas and proposals about how to implement Brexit, keeping everyone , including the EU , happy. We dont actually need to be nasty about it, but a forthright assertion of what WE want, (thats the electorate, not parliament and not the EU ) should have been the primary mission of the negotiations. Instead May and Co have tried to appease the EU from the start, she promised Brexit WOULD be delivered, she promised no deal would be better than a bad deal, she promised we would leave the single market and customs union. But she has ignored every option that could achieve these aims, capitulated time and again, and bought us to this point. All promises broken, no entertaining of any other deal than her modified Chequers deal, that no one liked the first time it was proposed, what did she think would happen ? More resignations ,and most of the house, not just her own party in open rebellion. Now I dont think shes stupid, but what was the point of continuing on a path that has been proven time and time again, to be doomed to failure ? It doesnt matter what you think her agenda is , she is not going to get this deal through. If her own party dont stop her in her tracks, parliament will. And if they dont, I can see a march that will make your 700,000 peoples voters look like a picnic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 15, 2018 Report Share Posted November 15, 2018 May in Parliament at 10:30, one to watch! Esther McVey has gone too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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