figgy Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 While looking online for reloading powder suppliers I came across a supplier for fiber shotcups for wildfowling loads. The shot cups are rated for all shot types. Armourer reloading Link. https://www.armourerreloading.co.uk/product/12ga-fibre-shot-cup-55mm-3-5-cases/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diss4111 Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 I have been using these all this season. I load 24 grams in a 2 3/4" case and 32 grams in a 3" case. You can get 32 grams in a 2 3/4" case but you need to use a roll turnover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Same items on clay & game Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 I have used these for years in my 8 bore. Work well if split and shot two geese right and left this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberisle Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 What sort of load data would you use with these, would you be able to pick a load that uses plastic wad and sub one of these wads? it would be nice if you could Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenman Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Very interested in this topic as it has to be the way forward for fowlers given the change in attitudes toward plastics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 hours ago, aberisle said: What sort of load data would you use with these, would you be able to pick a load that uses plastic wad and sub one of these wads? it would be nice if you could Cannot see why not but remember you will still need a fibre wad and an obturator wad. The latter is where the issue arises as most are plastic unless you can make up some inverted cardboard cup wads (see separate thread). These wads are also thicker walled than plastic so will take less shot although I have never compared them. hope this helps, good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diss4111 Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 I use a 4mm over powder card under the shotcup as a gas seal. Its what Gamebore do in their Silver Steel. I patterned some at the weekend and they were very even. I have used these exclusively this season and have a full freezer so its clear they work. Load data wise I use the same as you would for a plastic wad. My 32 gram steel load has 32 grains of SSB+150 under it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 42 minutes ago, Diss4111 said: I use a 4mm over powder card under the shotcup as a gas seal. Its what Gamebore do in their Silver Steel. I patterned some at the weekend and they were very even. I have used these exclusively this season and have a full freezer so its clear they work. Load data wise I use the same as you would for a plastic wad. My 32 gram steel load has 32 grains of SSB+150 under it Thanks will try that load Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diss4111 Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 You can get this in a 70mm case but you need to do a roll turnover. If you want to crimp then you need a 76mm case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 22 hours ago, aberisle said: What sort of load data would you use with these, would you be able to pick a load that uses plastic wad and sub one of these wads? it would be nice if you could I very much doubt you could use these wads as a direct substitute for any plastic wad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Anyone tried these in a semi auto, they were sold in Sweden and they had huge problem with them jamming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Any feedback on why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Might be the fiber wadding getting in the gas parts of the action causing failure to cycle. Some true load data would be good from the manufacturers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 hours ago, motty said: I very much doubt you could use these wads as a direct substitute for any plastic wad. In an earlier thread about fibre cups it was stated that C&G suggested that a direct substitution plastic to fibre was ok.. i tried recipes for fibre wad from C&G and the wad fell in tatters about 1m away from muzzle, the patterns looked fine 54 minutes ago, johnnytheboy said: Anyone tried these in a semi auto, they were sold in Sweden and they had huge problem with them jamming The above was only at a pattern plate and cycled fine with the limited amount I used Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) Available in Denmark now As seen on Facebook Sorry these were the pheasant loads from Denmark Edited December 11, 2018 by johnnytheboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 4 hours ago, motty said: I very much doubt you could use these wads as a direct substitute for any plastic wad. Clay game said to swap a plastic was for a fibre shot cup and a nitro card. I've got a few fibre shot cups here if you want to try it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 I like the look of the cardboard type with integrated gas seal. I think these would be less prone to pin holes from shot on moving up the barrel. Also look thin as the the plastic wads so no volume change. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 7 hours ago, figgy said: I like the look of the cardboard type with integrated gas seal. I think these would be less prone to pin holes from shot on moving up the barrel. Also look thin as the the plastic wads so no volume change. Figgy Yep ... looks like a decent gas seal, although I'd prefer a thicker card for big steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diss4111 Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 12 hours ago, johnnytheboy said: Anyone tried these in a semi auto, they were sold in Sweden and they had huge problem with them jamming That's all I use mine in, I have a Beretta Extrema and have had no issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diss4111 Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 12 hours ago, johnnytheboy said: Available in Denmark now As seen on Facebook Sorry these were the pheasant loads from Denmark I have e mailed gamebore to see when these cartridges are likely to be available in the UK, their reply was that these cartridges are loaded outside of CIP regulations and cannot be sold in the UK. Looks like the sooner we are out of Europe the better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B525 LIGHT Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 On 10/12/2018 at 14:59, Diss4111 said: I have been using these all this season. I load 24 grams in a 2 3/4" case and 32 grams in a 3" case. You can get 32 grams in a 2 3/4" case but you need to use a roll turnover. Is this with steel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diss4111 Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, B525 LIGHT said: Is this with steel? Yes, I load 1's and 4's for fowling and 7's for clays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsten Holm Clausen Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) Hi forum, I'm a Danish realoder and have tested a little with this fiber shotcup from Clay & Game. The Danish government has just arrived with a plastic policy, ending with plastic wads in shotshells. There is no date of entry into force. As quality, performance and safety are to be further developed with biodegradable wads. I have done a small test with some of the cartridges on the Danish market. The results can be seen in this link. Most cartridges are with light loads of 28 grams, # 5 A single is with 32 grams. Common to them is that the speed is from below 400 - 435 m / s Danish hunting law. Minimum 400 m / s for steel shot used for hunting. No lead, Biggest pellets shot no. 1 (4 mm) hope that it will work with copy below link to your browser https://strandoghavjagt.dk/forum/tema-hastighedstest-og-kvalitetstjek-af-haglpatroner/580-mini-test-af-patroner-med-nedbrydelige-forladninger-september-2018-af-chcTjek this link, sorry it is not in english, but use google translate Hmm, the alive link does not work. Edited December 12, 2018 by Carsten Holm Clausen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsten Holm Clausen Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) We need greater loads and higher speeds. 32 - 40 plus grams of steel with speeds up to 480 m / s My test whith fiber shotcup from Clay Game. Basically In this original charge. 12-70 32 grams 481m / s 795 bar caliber: 12/70 case type: cheddite, plastic used, black gold primer: CX2000 shot: 32 grams of steel shot size: # 3 (3.5mm) wad: VP65 crimping: 6-star and roll crimp test powder: 37 grains Steel Alliant Velocities distance: 1.2 meter Test with Biowad from Clays & Game 12/70 - 32 grams Cheditte shell Cx 2000 primer Biowad 38 mm Waxed Nitro Card 3 mm 32 grams of steel 35 grain Aliant Steel Speed: 349 - 379 - 389 m / s 12/70 - 32 grams Cheditte shell Cx 2000 primer Biowad 38 mm Waxed Nitro Card 3 mm 32 grams of steel 37 grain Aliant Steel Speed: about 400 m / s 12/76 - 34 grams Cheditte shell Cx 2000 primer Biowad 38 mm Waxed Nitro Card 3 mm 34 grams of steel 38 grain Aliant Steel Speed: 388 - 389 m / s 12/76 - 34 grams Cheditte shell Cx 2000 primer Biowad 38 mm Waxed Nitro Card 3 mm X 2 34 grams of steel 40 grain Aliant Steel Speed: 405 - 403 - 410 m / s Charging with biowad from GameBore 38 mm + plastic disc from tube 43 (the cylinder cut off) Cheddite shell new, 12/70 Primer: CX2000 Wad fiber from GameBore; 38 mm + plastic disc from tubo 43. Shot: 32 grams # 4 Aliant Steel: 35 grain. Speed Test: 453 - 469 - 450 m / s V2 (This looks a lot better) Test gun: Remington 870 I don´t know the pressure When I lay my observation with fiber wad there is a desrobted out side along with the speed difference. Then I'm quite convinced that the 4 mm waxed nitro card is not close enough Edited December 12, 2018 by Carsten Holm Clausen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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