Croohur Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 I am buying my first semi auto, a Yildiz only a couple of years old, and someone mentioned to me that you cant shoot fibre wads through gas semi autos like Berettas and the Yildiz I am buying. I hadnt heard this before and was expecting to continue using fibre wads on the farm as I have done for the past while on my o/u. Can anyone enlighten me? Not much on the internet about it, but nothing seems to be explicitly saying not to. This guy does have a lot of experience so usually happy to take his advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
243deer Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Have not had a problem with fibre wads in an Armsan 610 - 30g 6's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu64 Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 I use fibre wad in my hatsan with no problems. don't know why fibre would make a difference really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croohur Posted June 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, 243deer said: Have not had a problem with fibre wads in an Armsan 610 - 30g 6's Thats good - he seemed to be saying the fibre wads disintegrate and clog up the gas ports - I know gas semis are dirtier than say inertia systems such as Benelli, but had never heard this before. But as a newbie to all this - just wanted to get peoples views! 2 minutes ago, stu64 said: I use fibre wad in my hatsan with no problems. don't know why fibre would make a difference really. I know, thats why I was suprised at this. I often see the fibre wads on the ground and most look pretty intact, certainly they keep their shape for the most part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 It is just possible that somebody only got half of the story and the bit missing refers to back-bored barrels. To save labouring the point, if the gun you're looking at is not so bored, then crack on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw and wriggley Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 No problem with fibre through berettas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 I use fibre in all my guns two semi three ou I sxs and a husspower pump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Russell Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 had no issues with fibre through my maxus, and its had hundreds through it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Put another 100 firbre through my almost 20 year old Franchi 612vs yesterday without a hiccup. Considering the 10,000 catridges plus this gun has had through it (99.9% of which would have been fibre), never had any issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 some ones talkin rubbish,i have a beretta outlander 12g and armsan 20g a620 i use fibre wad only and shoot 1000,s yearly,in both guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 I use fibre in my Beretta 303 and my back bored 725 without any difference in performance at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croohur Posted June 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Thanks everyone for their input. Just goes to show even the most knowledgble fellows can get it wrong every now and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Nah if they were most knowledgeable they would have got it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croohur Posted June 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 6 hours ago, figgy said: Nah if they were most knowledgeable they would have got it right. Should have ended the sentence with "compared to me".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 Only if your most knowledgeable Croohur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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impala59 Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: expert x being the unknown factor and a spurt being a drip under pressure IMHO any decent cartridge should work in any gun, fibre wad types have a gas check to maintain the pressure. The only thing you may find is that ultralight rounds,21g for example, may not cycle the action reliably, fibre or plastic wads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, impala59 said: expert x being the unknown factor and a spurt being a drip under pressure IMHO any decent cartridge should work in any gun, fibre wad types have a gas check to maintain the pressure. The only thing you may find is that ultralight rounds,21g for example, may not cycle the action reliably, fibre or plastic wads Could that also be called an obturator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, wymberley said: Could that also be called an obturator? As I understand it, an obturator wad is connected to a shot cup by means of a spring type arrangement and will seal to the barrel walls to maintain pressure. These are, as far as I know plastic in construction. In my experience from reloading fibre (all I use) the gas check is a harder fibre that seals the powder “in the case” from the softer wadding and does not maintain that seal into the barrel. I have experimented with various materials for cost reasons but concluded that the proprietary “gas checks” are the best at getting reliable cycling in my auto’s so maybe there is an element of barrel sealing also taking place. Also using gas checks avoids unburnt powder and seems to keep everything relatively clean. I am sure that the serious reloaders on the forum have much to add in this vast field. All I really know is that my reloads perform as well if not better than much of the ammunition out there and the reloading is as much a part of my hobby as is the shooting Edited June 6, 2019 by impala59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 3 hours ago, impala59 said: As I understand it, an obturator wad is connected to a shot cup by means of a spring type arrangement and will seal to the barrel walls to maintain pressure. These are, as far as I know plastic in construction. In my experience from reloading fibre (all I use) the gas check is a harder fibre that seals the powder “in the case” from the softer wadding and does not maintain that seal into the barrel. I have experimented with various materials for cost reasons but concluded that the proprietary “gas checks” are the best at getting reliable cycling in my auto’s so maybe there is an element of barrel sealing also taking place. Also using gas checks avoids unburnt powder and seems to keep everything relatively clean. I am sure that the serious reloaders on the forum have much to add in this vast field. All I really know is that my reloads perform as well if not better than much of the ammunition out there and the reloading is as much a part of my hobby as is the shooting Many of our current problems can be said to be down to the various versions of the English language. Is a "gas check" some foreign version of, in English, an "obturator"? An example of these will be found in, say, a Rottweil fibre wadded cartridge along with many other makes no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 obturator wads are seperate bits if you load these with fibre wads,you can then use recipipe as if it were a plastic wad,see folkstone eng,reloading info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 On 05/06/2019 at 19:58, Croohur said: Thanks everyone for their input. Just goes to show even the most knowledgble fellows can get it wrong every now and again. There is a lesson to be learned here... I know many people who think they are knowledgeable, when in reality.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted June 7, 2019 Report Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) We are all learning constantly, wouldn’t it be boring if we all knew everything! Mind you, I have met a few over the years who say they do! Maybe ‘gas check ‘ is an Americanism that I’ve picked up or that’s been adopted, obturator is, I believe, also a medical term. The English language evolves, I am sure we will one day only use txt spk so to speak Edited June 7, 2019 by impala59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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