Brexit - merged threads

[SpringDon]

1 minute ago, JohnfromUK said:

There is a lot of Project Food Fear going on.  Today on the radio there was an interview with Lord Haskins, former chairman of Northern Foods who was saying there may well be severe shortages leading possibly to 'some form of public control' of the food supply, possibly rationing.

What the BBC (typically) didn't tell you was that he was a former Labour supporter (now I believe LibDem, though sits as a 'cross bench' peer), and advisor (foot and mouth times) to Blair - and got his peerage from Blair.

A more realistic view was put by someone else (not sure who it was) who said;

The same amount of food will be grown, processed and packed.  Distribution and transport mechanisms will all still be in place.  Retailers and wholesalers will still be there and anxious to do business.

IF there are any short term supply issues (and he accepted there might be some) - they will probably be caused by hoarding due to stirring by Project Fear and/or political interference in the pipelines (holding things at ports).  He stressed that there is NO SHORTAGE of raw products, transport, distribution or resale space, but perishables are easily disrupted by either hoarding or delay for political reasons.

Well there you go. That seems a bit more balanced. Which leaves me with my long running question, why would all these bad things happen unless someone wants them to? And who are “they”?

[Stonepark]

7 minutes ago, SpringDon said:

 

I’m unconvinced. Such a collaboration between retailers is more likely to be about maintaining their margins. Food prices should fall after the removal of tariffs not rise. Unless we are saying that food producers would not be allowed to sell to us?

The only recent example i can think of is when South Sudan was created. Were exporters banned from selling to them because no agreements were in place? (No, in case you were wondering)

Agreed, we produce about 60% of our own food, import 40% of which 3/4 comes from the eu mainly in the form of fruit, vegetables and wine.

 

This is not WWII and being blockaded by german uboats, if eu fails to supply THEIR businesses will collapse and suffer ans someone else will step in very quickly.

 

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, SpringDon said:

And who are “they”?

An example;

The French and Spanish fishing fleets take a lot of their catch in UK waters.  IF (as is widely expected) this is restricted/prevented in future, French and Spanish fisherfolk may either blockade ports (the French have form in this area) - or be supported by Port Officials (possibly tacitly backed up by local/regional/central government) to disrupt fresh food supplies 'in retaliation'.  Fresh food (salads, veggies etc.) have a short life and cannot easily be frozen.

And that is just one example.

[Nuke]

23 hours ago, Rewulf said:

So please explain to me why they would want a camp in Dover?

If the agreement for juxtaposed controls is not continued/becomes obsolete in a no deal situation then the immigration checks will have to be done on the UK side? No immigration checks in France = no hold up in going to the UK as long as the ferries keep running. 

I can't really see any incentive for France to keep the refugees within the EU borders in a no deal situation if they want to move on to the UK.

No deal might also mean that the country of arrival within the EU is no longer responsible for the immigrant and, at least in theory, have no obligations to take them back.

/M

[TIGHTCHOKE]

5 minutes ago, Nuke said:

If the agreement for juxtaposed controls is not continued/becomes obsolete in a no deal situation then the immigration checks will have to be done on the UK side? No immigration checks in France = no hold up in going to the UK as long as the ferries keep running. 

I can't really see any incentive for France to keep the refugees within the EU borders in a no deal situation if they want to move on to the UK.

No deal might also mean that the country of arrival within the EU is no longer responsible for the immigrant and, at least in theory, have no obligations to take them back.

/M

No difference there then the French have been very poor at maintaining that part of the agreement so far.

 

Your scenario would see the french authorities complicent in the illegal movement of immigrants to England.

[Capt Christopher Jones]

1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Project Fear part 5 ?

Remembered back when KFC  changed delivery company 💪

[Rewulf]

3 minutes ago, Nuke said:

If the agreement for juxtaposed controls is not continued/becomes obsolete in a no deal situation then the immigration checks will have to be done on the UK side? No immigration checks in France = no hold up in going to the UK as long as the ferries keep running. 

Eh ? Whats no deal got to do with immigration checks?
Did some guardian columnist tell you that no deals means French police and immigration, not to mention travel operations staff just wave anyone on to a ferry, vehicle or train without checking them ?
The French already break international convention by allowing undocumented non EU migrants to simply amble about French ports, while they consider their next illegal entry into the UK.

 

10 minutes ago, Nuke said:

I can't really see any incentive for France to keep the refugees within the EU borders in a no deal situation if they want to move on to the UK.

You mean they do now ?😂

 

11 minutes ago, Nuke said:

No deal might also mean that the country of arrival within the EU is no longer responsible for the immigrant and, at least in theory, have no obligations to take them back.

.Please stop, or youre going to owe me a keyboard ! 🤣

2 hours ago, Capt Christopher Jones said:

Ah a French invention i see 

Parliament , a British invention, widely copied, often admired, lets not make it a mockery.

 

2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

Regarding other options, weighing up a new contract offer which includes an apartment in Valbonne 😁

Hope youve got plenty of money if you want to live there 😂
Take it the family wont be joining you ~?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

25 minutes ago, Capt Christopher Jones said:

Remembered back when KFC  changed delivery company 💪

Oh does that come under Project Fear as well?

I remember the new courier did not have the capacity or wherewithal to keep the restaurants supplied and the restaurants did not have the savvy to let people know they had no chicken!

But you reckon that can all be blamed on the EU and Brexit?

Edited August 7, 2019 by TIGHTCHOKE
Additional Comment.

[Rewulf]

3 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

 

Miller claims they have a way round this (apparently in Erskine May Parliamentary manual para 1972 I think it was) and are preparing a Judicial Review which will enable them to oust Johnson and replace him with a 'caretaker government of unity who will stop leaving on 31st October.

 

Theoretically its possible, however ...Never been done before, and the conditions are not met by a no deal scenario, THAT PARLIAMENT VOTED FOR by triggering article 50.
The act is usually reserved for an unstable/absent  government scenario.
Its a straw clutching act.
The 'government of unity' that burns bright in Ms Millers fevered imagination would no doubt be made up of staunch remainers who would be able to  FORCE through the legislation necessary to revoke A 50 ? Or are we just going to ignore British law and revoke it without due process, a bit like using the government of unity clause ?

 

3 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

Who has the l?aw on their side  No one seems to know and there are (it seems) lawyers who are prepared to take huge fees and get very rich playing games with all of our futures based on vague and it seems totally inadequate law (mainly the 'fixed term Parliament Act which of course is quite recent).

 

Interestingly , the law is on the side of Parliament , to make, amend and remove law...using the due process that WE the electorate (and HM)  empower them with.
It doesnt mean they can change it to suit their own foibles or wants, and it certainly doesnt mean they can use it to overturn a democratic vote.

 

3 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

The worry is that last time Miller tried this - she won and is pretty much wholly responsible for the current mess.

The peculiarity of her 'win' is that because the WA had to be put to a parliamentary vote, which failed multiple times.

No deal as the legal fall back is a direct result of that 'win'
Fairly ironic that now, she tries to undo what she herself caused ?

3 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

It seems we now may have all of our futures in the hands of someone who is not only unelected, but (as far as I know has never stood for office) and has some very hidden and shady sources of funding (who are no doubt pulling the strings).

This is the part that dooms her to failure, her multiple attempts to thwart Brexit in any form, under the guise of legal process , have been shown before, and especially now, to be desperate attempts, fueled by foreign money, to interfere with British democratic process.
To what ends remains to be seen, its certainly not for the reasons she says it is, which makes her a liar , as well as a hypocrite.
Its plain to see, and in the coming days, WILL be exposed.
A day of reckoning is coming for Miller.

[Capt Christopher Jones]

No just making the point re supply chain hic-ups

[TIGHTCHOKE]

15 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

This is the part that dooms her to failure, her multiple attempts to thwart Brexit in any form, under the guise of legal process , have been shown before, and especially now, to be desperate attempts, fueled by foreign money, to interfere with British democratic process.
To what ends remains to be seen, its certainly not for the reasons she says it is, which makes her a liar , as well as a hypocrite.
Its plain to see, and in the coming days, WILL be exposed.
A day of reckoning is coming for Miller.

How long till the damned woman stands for election?

[ditchman]

that mouthy butterfly socialist ...Yasmin Alibi -Brown   said she would leave the country if Boris was made prime Minister

 

!"ARE YOU STILL HERE DEARY....CAN YOU HEAR ME ?"

[martyn2233]

1 minute ago, ditchman said:

that mouthy butterfly socialist ...Yasmin Alibi -Brown   said she would leave the country if Boris was made prime Minister

 

!"ARE YOU STILL HERE DEARY....CAN YOU HEAR ME ?"

Problem is they never leave there all full of poo

[Rewulf]

3 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

How long till the damned woman stands for election?

Far too much scrutiny over the soros connection and multiple conflicts of interest due to her husbands hedge fund business.

She prefers to stir up trouble , usually at the bidding of another party, then melt back into the shadows when the heat shows up.
When her Best for Britain campaign, that she joint founded was exposed for receiving £500k from soros, she cut ties with it and even went so far as to call it undemocratic !
Again , conflicts of interest , as her husbands company had just received massive investment capital from a soros fund.

[Raja Clavata]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Hope youve got plenty of money if you want to live there 😂
Take it the family wont be joining you ~?

The office here is the highest paid one anywhere in Europe within the Group - I think I'd get by OK.

On an even lighter note - Gina Miller - I certainly would!

[Rewulf]

5 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

The office here is the highest paid one anywhere in Europe within the Group - I think I'd get by OK.

Little thing like a no deal Brexit shouldnt bother you too much then should it ? 😄

[Raja Clavata]

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

Little thing like a no deal Brexit shouldnt bother you too much then should it ? 😄

As I've said all along, I'll be fine whatever, I think it was you who implied my Remain bias was based on personal gains / interests 😛 

[Rewulf]

5 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

As I've said all along, I'll be fine whatever, I think it was you who implied my Remain bias was based on personal gains / interests 😛 

Not me, I dont use that as a counter.
Its everyones right to look after heir own interests.

What I dont like is when someone implies that ISNT the reason for their view when it clearly is.
Im in no way levelling that at you BTW.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

44 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

On an even lighter note - Gina Miller - I certainly would!

REALLY?

Good grief!

[Rewulf]

6 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

REALLY?

Good grief!

[Rewulf]

https://unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/dominic-grieve-could-be-arrested-over-foreign-treason-claims/?fbclid=IwAR3DZSVuUZDX04V3nI1vtZIuyPLrwiuiIVjTCTV4_l2iEPeBAl8kI2FHv9Y

That could be the start of something.
Im personally sick and tired of public servants 'plotting' to bring down the government, because they dont agree with a course of action THEY voted for.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

"In an absolutely stunning turn of events we can exclusively reveal that there are rumours swirling around Westminster that Arch-Remainer Dominic Grieve may have broken the law as a Privy Councillor due to his interviews from France where he has been taking about bringing down the Government:"

 

Watching with GREAT interest!!!!

[figgy]

Have to say Gina Miller is a lot easier on the eyes than most female politician's.   Rather her than Dianne Abbott, wee little Jimmy Cranky or Anne Widecombe, Theressa May. 🤮🤢 Some would scare a burglars dog.

[Raja Clavata]

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

That got a celebrity into trouble once for using that term, not a term I would use, and Im about as un PC as you can get !

Well I'm not a celebrity and it went through my corporate web browser guard thingy so I should be OK. From experience the only people I've known it to cause offence to are those who believe they are high end versions of the same...

[TIGHTCHOKE]

1 minute ago, figgy said:

Have to say Gina Miller is a lot easier on the eyes than most female politician's.   Rather her than Dianne Abbott, wee little Jimmy Cranky or Anne Widecombe, Theressa May. 🤮🤢 Some would scare a burglars dog.

Some of the m ARE burglas dogs!