Yet Another Wealthy Landowner usurps the law.

[wymberley]

5 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

This.  Its all about some guy trying to prove his job is important.  

Some time back I was asked if i'd stand for the local. Council, did, got elected and served on the planning committee. Being the town council were not empowered to make decisions, only recommendations. Decisions were made at district level. In my opinion all possible parties to any planning application need watching and without some control we'd get in a muddle PDQ. Sculls says that if we had planning committees back in the day many of our treasured building would not exist. This is often quoted. When, for example, St Pauls Cathedral was opened in c1705 the population of London was c0.6 million and for England 5.1 - loads of space.

[henry d]

1 hour ago, Scully said:

😂We had loads of land, but the immigrants kept kicking us out! 

Should that not read indiginous people?

[Scully]

Just now, henry d said:

Should that not read indiginous people?

Well I was referring to America as NBI is from there. We were kicked out by immigrants of mostly European descent, who then had a stint of good old ethnic cleansing. 🙂

[oowee]

I trained as a planner but did very little DC work. The problem with this is not what is built but where and how it is built. I suspect that the land may even be agri land that he has purchased off the adjacent owner and may not even have consent for resi use. If i were a Planning Officer for the site I would be looking at encroachment. Today's garage (two storey?) could easily become tomorrows proposal for another house.   

 

[moondoggy]

22 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

This makes me so angry.  Why in the world does someone have the right to destroy someone’s else’s property.  

Would you feel like that if you were a red indian?

[Penelope]

2 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

I actually just looked that up.  I never realized that England was so small.  Still doesn’t change my thoughts.  You guys need to fire up that navy and get more land mass.  

Can we have the lump we had over there back then, please. 

[NoBodyImportant]

1 hour ago, moondoggy said:

Would you feel like that if you were a red indian?

I am white Indian 😂.   My grandma had a house on the reservation and when she offered it to me I politely refused.  I spent enough time on the reservation to know that I don’t want anything to do with it nor would I ever raise my children there.  Luckily I’m white enough to pretend to be full blooded European.   I still struggle with it though. Every time I pass a bicycle I have a desire to steal it and sometimes I catch myself wanting to quit my job and collect government checks.  

[Rewulf]

4 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said:

 I still struggle with it though. Every time I pass a bicycle I have a desire to steal it and sometimes I catch myself wanting to quit my job and collect government checks.

Brilliant !

[NoBodyImportant]

2 hours ago, Scully said:

Well I was referring to America as NBI is from there. We were kicked out by immigrants of mostly European descent, who then had a stint of good old ethnic cleansing. 🙂

You guys tried to take our guns😂

[wymberley]

17 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

I just look at it like this.  If you don’t want something built there then buy it and leave it vacant.  If a man want a tennis court in his back yard then it should only be his decision.  

"Every time I pass a bicycle I have a desire to steal it and sometimes I catch myself wanting to quit my job and collect government checks."

We've got  quite a few of these guys over here and it's why your quoted plan will never work as  as soon as it's spotted they'll move in and then your trouble really starts - just ask Scully. Mind you, you'd get your woodland road tarmac''ed  after a fashion at an extortionate price.

[Rewulf]

9 minutes ago, wymberley said:

Mind you, you'd get your woodfland road tarmac''ed  after a fashion at an extortionate price.

[Scully]

1 hour ago, NoBodyImportant said:

I am white Indian 😂.   My grandma had a house on the reservation and when she offered it to me I politely refused.  I spent enough time on the reservation to know that I don’t want anything to do with it nor would I ever raise my children there.  Luckily I’m white enough to pretend to be full blooded European.   I still struggle with it though. Every time I pass a bicycle I have a desire to steal it and sometimes I catch myself wanting to quit my job and collect government checks.  

😂👍

[Bobba]

22 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

I believe it is called the law and either everyone complies or nobody does.

Agreed. Moreover in agreeing to it now the Council will set a precedent. Soon someone else will come along with a similar proposal and say you let that person have it so it's my turn now. Then another person will come along, then another, and another etc etc and the whole area is at risk of being covered with blots on the landscape.

[oowee]

1 hour ago, Bobba said:

Agreed. Moreover in agreeing to it now the Council will set a precedent. Soon someone else will come along with a similar proposal and say you let that person have it so it's my turn now. Then another person will come along, then another, and another etc etc and the whole area is at risk of being covered with blots on the landscape.

Just like on the coast of the Algarve. The coast is ruined with half built properties every few hundred yards and on every headland. 

[NoBodyImportant]

7 hours ago, Bobba said:

Agreed. Moreover in agreeing to it now the Council will set a precedent. Soon someone else will come along with a similar proposal and say you let that person have it so it's my turn now. Then another person will come along, then another, and another etc etc and the whole area is at risk of being covered with blots on the landscape.

But if someone owns a piece of land, pays tax on that land, should they not have the right to build a house and live on the land? 

[oowee]

1 hour ago, NoBodyImportant said:

But if someone owns a piece of land, pays tax on that land, should they not have the right to build a house and live on the land? 

No. By a farm field and its a farm field. Buy a building plot and build on it. 

[Private Marker]

It's never about the law or the view or local environment. 

It's always been about the money!

That said I hope that the council get plenty out of the land owner! He's taking the pee and could afford to have done the planning application properly, even an appeal if need be. 

[NoBodyImportant]

2 hours ago, oowee said:

No. By a farm field and its a farm field. Buy a building plot and build on it. 

What if my family owned the land for generations?  

[Bobba]

4 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

What if my family owned the land for generations?  

In most cases that is irrelevant. In brief, the underlying philosophy is to prevent urban sprawl in the countryside. Too long to explain here. If you're interested Google "what is the green belt uk" or visit the website "Campaign For Rural England".

[wymberley]

46 minutes ago, Bobba said:

In most cases that is irrelevant. In brief, the underlying philosophy is to prevent urban sprawl in the countryside. Too long to explain here. If you're interested Google "what is the green belt uk" or visit the website "Campaign For Rural England".

Also see the already mentioned AONB. The one you're after specifically is South Devon. The key word is sympathetic.

[panoma1]

A wealthy developer close to where I live got permission to build a large detached house on farmland, later they built a long single story cattle shed in the adjacent field (which they also owned)...........it’s now a terrace of four bungalows! 🤔

[oowee]

6 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

What if my family owned the land for generations?  

That policy has led to the build anywhere (almost) policy in the States that allows for the hollowed out doughnut cities like Detroit. Where the areas effected by the riots in the past are left burnt out and in decay.  Its always easier to build on the next piece of land leading to urban sprawl and vast tracts of devalued properties and the death of centers. Leap frog development  reduces the economic value of older development making it more difficult to invest in clearance and rebuilding of urban decay. In turn this leads to fragmented low density development that cannot easily be served by public transport. Ultimately these will be unsustainable.

In the UK we have a green belt policy that try's to protect undeveloped land around cities (not in my back yard policy). Unfortunately it has the same effect as above where development leap frogs into the countryside, and encourages urban sprawl. The classic demonstration is to fly over the UK at night and look down on the myriad of developments across the landscape.  

It's like an economic cancer of the land eating away at the countryside that we value so much. Land is a finite resource when its gone its gone. 

 

[Private Marker]

It's a fine line between preserving the countryside and providing APPROPRIATE places to live. It seems if you're a multi million pound company it's easier to get planning permission for a new housing estate than to convert your own existing building. 

I think that's the wrong way round!

[TIGHTCHOKE]

If he had applied for permission to build on his land it would quite probably gone through and would have been far easier than the position he now finds himself facing.

 

Once again, the lawyers are the ONLY winners!

[NoBodyImportant]

4 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

If he had applied for permission to build on his land it would quite probably gone through and would have been far easier than the position he now finds himself facing.

 

Once again, the lawyers are the ONLY winners!

He may have and was denied.