henry d Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 24 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: So what if the EU doesn't agree Will Labour just say oh well we tried. 14 minutes ago, oowee said: It simply does not matter what the EU thinks. A member state is free to enhance any standard set by the EU. 10 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Thank you. The EU has absolutely nothing to do with worker's rights. It's Nations that decide on worker's rights. And the UK's are better than most. So why are Labour and others spouting that the EU do is it subterfuge! No, the EU say "Member states should have..." then it is up to the member states to define the scope of, in this instance, those workers rights. It's like delegation if you like, not subterfuge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, henry d said: No, the EU say "Member states should have..." then it is up to the member states to define the scope of, in this instance, those workers rights. It's like delegation if you like, not subterfuge. No our Parliament along with trade unions and indeed the workers themselves, are responsible for the worker's rights we all enjoy in the UK. The EU has nothing at all to do with it. So it is political subterfuge to suggest that they do. If the EU was to tell us to scrap all worker's rights would our parliament, trade unions and indeed the workers themselves just blindly obey. Of course not, because the EU myth that they are responsible for them is just that a myth. And anyone using that myth to try and further their goal is indeed using subterfuge, howerver people try to dress it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: No our Parliament along with trade unions and indeed the workers themselves, are responsible for the worker's rights we all enjoy in the UK. The EU has nothing at all to do with it. Four main fields of EU regulation of labour rights include (1) individual labour rights, (2) anti-discrimination regulations, (3) rights to information, consultation, and participation at work, and (4) rights to job security. In virtually all cases, the EU follows the principle that member states can always create rights more beneficial to workers. The removal of these minimum EU protections is the aim of the Tories in favour of a free market approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: No our Parliament along with trade unions and indeed the workers themselves, are responsible for the worker's rights we all enjoy in the UK. The EU has nothing at all to do with it. So it is political subterfuge to suggest that they do. If the EU was to tell us to scrap all worker's rights would our parliament, trade unions and indeed the workers themselves just blindly obey. Of course not, because the EU myth that they are responsible for them is just that a myth. And anyone using that myth to try and further their goal is indeed using subterfuge, howerver people try to dress it up. Yeah, you are right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, oowee said: The removal of these minimum EU protections is the aim of the Tories in favour of a free market approach Any proof? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 Why would they want to remove them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, B725 said: Why would they want to remove them? Ask Boris, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, oowee said: Ask Boris, Boris hasn't said it, you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Boris hasn't said it, you have. EU regulations cover things like: The working time directive, which limits the number of hours people can work Maximum amounts of particular pollutants there can be in the air Requirements for workers doing the same jobs to be paid equally. They set minimum standards below which government cannot go. After Brexit, UK governments would no longer have to abide by these minimum levels. In the new Brexit deal finalised this week, references to a level playing field were removed from the legally-binding withdrawal agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, oowee said: The removal of these minimum EU protections is the aim of the Tories in favour of a free market approach. I seriously doubt that. There's no political upside in alienating voters, nor does it square with free market economics, but even if it is their aim, it's going to be a long way down on the priority list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 Just now, Westward said: I seriously doubt that. There's no political upside in alienating voters, nor does it square with free market economics, but even if it is their aim, it's going to be a long way down on the priority list. All depends on which trade rules you want to follow or adopt, those of the EU or those of the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, oowee said: In the new Brexit deal finalised this week, references to a level playing field were removed from the legally-binding withdrawal agreement Which means that we going to go back to the feudal system? Righto. 7 minutes ago, oowee said: All depends on which trade rules you want to follow or adopt, those of the EU or those of the US So everyone who trades with the US has to adopt US trade rules? Righto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 Like I said ask Boris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) The blonde was in gods own country, Somerset, today. He never made it to Glasto as he was blocked by protesters but where was Moggy? Edited November 14, 2019 by oowee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 Caught a bit of Corbyn being interviewed earlier, when asked about Brexit and the fact he said they would honour the referendum result he answered that there is poverty in Scotland? I didn't catch much but come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 54 minutes ago, Mice! said: Caught a bit of Corbyn being interviewed earlier, when asked about Brexit and the fact he said they would honour the referendum result he answered that there is poverty in Scotland? I didn't catch much but come on. I think you need to find out what exactly was said. Was it to do with if labour came to power there would not be a second Scottish referendum for 5(?) years as we need to concentrate on brexit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 45 minutes ago, henry d said: think you need to find out what exactly was said. It was on in the brew room, I only know what I said, hoping others had seen it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 It's free broadband for everyone now https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/election-2019-50427369 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: It's free broadband for everyone now https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/election-2019-50427369 I suppose Dianne Abbot has costed that then!! I have heard that she is standing in for Lisa Reilly on countdown when she goes on Maternity leave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 26 minutes ago, Mice! said: It was on in the brew room, I only know what I said, hoping others had seen it It's a bone of contention here as the SNP have been neglecting health care ( particularly drug deaths) education etc but happy to promote independence and spend on more popular and vote winning ideas at the expense of the poorest in society. That's why he didn't want to allow second referendum within 5years of a labour win, but I believe Bojo has said similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 Well at least she's pro gun 😂 https://medium.com/@mirandajoyce995/swinson-condemned-for-cruelty-to-squirrels-242aca857843 No doubt packham will be along shortly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Well at least she's pro gun 😂 https://medium.com/@mirandajoyce995/swinson-condemned-for-cruelty-to-squirrels-242aca857843 No doubt packham will be along shortly... If true, surely she can be prosecuted as I assume red squirrels are protected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: If true, surely she can be prosecuted as I assume red squirrels are protected? She's got form for it 😂 https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1190635607812399104 Some sites claim the slingshot video is fake, and Swinson has denied its her. The shooting video, so far, has attracted no comment from herself or the libs (dem part removed for accuracy) Edited November 15, 2019 by Rewulf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Danger-Mouse Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 On 14/11/2019 at 17:06, oowee said: EU regulations cover things like: The working time directive, which limits the number of hours people can work Pretty much a joke anyway. My current job demands well in excess of standard working hours. If I refused to sign to waive that right I wouldn't get the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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