Rewulf Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 I was going to put this in the Brexit thread, but it's cluttered enough in there! Basically, a delegation of MP's and Mep's have been sent to Kashmir on a 'fact finding' mission. Supposedly, according to the usual suspects, 22 out the 27 come from 'far right' parties, the UK s David Bull (Brexit) being our chosen nazi. https://www.news18.com/news/india/nazi-slur-supporting-annexation-of-crimea-how-members-of-eu-panel-are-known-around-the-world-2365435.html Is he? Are they? Ill accept some of our European cousins have definite far right mainstream parties, but do we, really? Sounds like preparations to paint the Brexit party in shades of red and black are under way already. https://www.france24.com/en/20191028-far-right-euro-mps-lead-landmark-trip-to-indian-kashmir https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/29/world/asia/india-kashmir-european.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 No, just in the right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu64 Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 I'm not sure who draws the lines and where they are drawn anymore, the left is now pretty much centre and if you are just right of centre you're in danger of being labelled a racist/nazi/etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 31 minutes ago, stu64 said: I'm not sure who draws the lines and where they are drawn anymore, the left is now pretty much centre and if you are just right of centre you're in danger of being labelled a racist/nazi/etc. The Left is far Left with extremist leanings, but perceive themselves to be centre Left and anyone who doesn't agree with them are seen by them as extreme far right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 23 minutes ago, stu64 said: I'm not sure who draws the lines and where they are drawn anymore, the left is now pretty much centre and if you are just right of centre you're in danger of being labelled a racist/nazi/etc. Agreed, to the majority of the brainwashed masses, anyone who is not part of their echo chamber is far right but in truth it is they who are the new Nazi's, who advocate conformity, socialism and gun control amongst other traits. Hitler was the leader of the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party (and ignoring the racism/anti semitic stances or not) supported pseudo sciences (todays eqivilent Human global warming), was anti-democratic, and anti market expecting people to put general good ahead of their own (ringing any bells yet?) with a small class of 'intelectuals' providing the guidance as what was good for country was good for the individual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 Republicans. Anti monarchy, free unfettered capitalists. Yep that's a fair way to the right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 R or L, far or extreme of any of those within their political gouping makes them either far ight or Far left. Make of it as you will. Re echo-chambers; they can be right or left handed too. Re Adolf; he was a racist (I won`t ignore it thanks) who used popularism to promote his arian/nationalist beliefs (ringing a few bells?) even trying to get Nietzsche, or properly his sister as he was a dribbling basket case at the time, on board as some of his philosophical writing could be used against the jews and his sister was also a facist and edited his "Will to Power" by removing some parts and quoting out of context. The NS loved it though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, oowee said: Republicans. Anti monarchy, free unfettered capitalists. Yep that's a fair way to the right. Not doubting they are right wing, but is that fair way, mean far right? With all its connotations? 2 minutes ago, henry d said: R or L, far or extreme of any of those within their political gouping makes them either far ight or Far left. Make of it as you will. Re echo-chambers; they can be right or left handed too. Re Adolf; he was a racist (I won`t ignore it thanks) who used popularism to promote his arian/nationalist beliefs (ringing a few bells?) even trying to get Nietzsche, or properly his sister as he was a dribbling basket case at the time, on board as some of his philosophical writing could be used against the jews and his sister was also a facist and edited his "Will to Power" by removing some parts and quoting out of context. The NS loved it though! Errr.. Easy tiger, I asked about the Brexit party 😂 Didn't ask you to go all antifa activist! Are the BP, racist? They have a large proportion of different races and religions in membership. Aryan? Seriously? 😹 Anti semitic? Think you've got the wrong party bud. Is Farage a dribbling basket case? He speaks better than most other party leaders. Not sure where you're coming from really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 Far Right is anybody that disagrees with "certain factions" its the insult of choice at the moment for the use of people too inarticulate to justify their point of view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Vince Green said: Far Right is anybody that disagrees with "certain factions" its the insult of choice at the moment for the use of people too inarticulate to justify their point of view This is a pretty good dissection of the OP`s Q and is as articulate as you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) Urgh - seems anyone proud of their old school values and patriotism, in other words the way we were, have been relabelled as far right by various factions to the left of centre in my opinion. I'm in the above category, yet have Asians living and working all around me - and I do odd-jobs and summer season mowing for some of them in my retirement. I'm definitely amongst the minority home owner around here.- for many a mile I can tell you. I was also one of the last white English taxi drivers in Leicester - and when I use my bus pass I sit almost unique among various levels of colour. Yes I can tut tut about it but I don't feel isolated, just aware that I'm getting a bit rare and stubborn enough to not move away. Its more a case of being an oldie that doesn't like change in my mind. EDIT: So to specifically answer the question - no - just patriotic enough to not want to surrender our liberty and way of life to a foreign power that isn't even a country. Edited October 29, 2019 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, henry d said: This is a pretty good dissection of the OP`s Q and is as articulate as you like. No its not! The question was, are the BP far right? Your link from your leftie 'academic' website, says any nationalistic group is far right! Does that mean the EU, being obsessed with becoming a one state conglomeration, with its own government, army, flag and national anthem, with all its sycophantic followers, are nationalists, and by extention 'far right' too? Again, youve not engaged into the conversation, but painted a picture of your own beliefs and resentment of what YOU don't like. Are the BP nationalistic? Are they racist? Are they anti semitic? Are they anti immigration? Do they employ a group to bully and intimidate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 It's all about personal perspective surely, but generally accepted to be right of centre but not as far right as UKIP. Where that puts them relative to the Tories right now is anyone's guess. Personally I do not think they are far right and they appear to have gotten rid of anyone overtly displaying such traits, branding them far right or nazi / whatever really does nobody any favours. Probably the correct answer to the original question is that nobody really knows since they are currently a one trick pony, maybe a GE will wean it out of them, maybe not... 15 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Are the BP nationalistic? I would say yes they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: It's all about personal perspective surely, but generally accepted to be right of centre but not as far right as UKIP. Where that puts them relative to the Tories right now is anyone's guess. Personally I do not think they are far right and they appear to have gotten rid of anyone overtly displaying such traits, branding them far right or nazi / whatever really does nobody any favours. Probably the correct answer to the original question is that nobody really knows since they are currently a one trick pony, maybe a GE will wean it out of them, maybe not... I would say yes they are. Thank you, a sensible response I'm not sure where they exhibit nationalism though, use of the union jack, rhetoric? Both are used by the tories. But is this because we have been guided into the idea that, use of national flags, anthems ect, is nationalistic? Its certainly a dirty word among the EU faithful, but like I said they are only trying to replace it with their own version of it. The term far right, just appears to be the favoured method of shutting down the conversation when it gets difficult, by those that occupy the ground left of centre. Where far, or hard left, appears to be far more acceptable, but is just as bad in reality. I suppose it depends on your concept of reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Thank you, a sensible response I'm not sure where they exhibit nationalism though, use of the union jack, rhetoric? Both are used by the tories. But is this because we have been guided into the idea that, use of national flags, anthems ect, is nationalistic? Its certainly a dirty word among the EU faithful, but like I said they are only trying to replace it with their own version of it. The term far right, just appears to be the favoured method of shutting down the conversation when it gets difficult, by those that occupy the ground left of centre. Where far, or hard left, appears to be far more acceptable, but is just as bad in reality. I suppose it depends on your concept of reality. I do not consider patriotism, in the conventional sense, nor use of national flags as a sign of nationalism. Again to me it's a matter of relative perspective but the reality is that extreme of anything on the political scale never ends well for anyone in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: I do not consider patriotism, in the conventional sense, nor use of national flags as a sign of nationalism. Plenty that do I'm afraid. 4 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Again to me it's a matter of relative perspective but the reality is that extreme of anything on the political scale never ends well for anyone in the long run Agreed, although I don't consider myself very patriotic, this lump of mud is my home, and I would prefer it if it continues to be a good home, for me and my descendants. That's it really, my political view in a nutshell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Plenty that do I'm afraid. Indeed, I'm and pleased we agree it's an error on their part. Agreed, although I don't consider myself very patriotic, this lump of mud is my home, and I would prefer it if it continues to be a good home, for me and my descendants. That's it really, my political view in a nutshell. Again, we agree, although clearly the devil is in the detail on this one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 The thing is, nobody is ever described as just being on the right these days. The term far right trots off their lips like a mantra all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Vince Green said: The thing is, nobody is ever described as just being on the right these days. The term far right trots off their lips like a mantra all the time That is because in the eyes of the PC snowflakes anything right of centre is Extreme and even centre is a bit dodgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 So if its not left its right. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 Would anybody describe the SNP as far right? An undoubtably nationalist party and agenda. I don’t think the Brexit party are far right, but they have remarkably little published policy to make any sort of authoritative call on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 Good point, they certainly were a dark shade of red and seem to be a little lighter now but whipping up nationalism on top of a general hatred of England/Westminster allows control of the masses and jobs for life. Dare I mention that there may also be a little bit of wanting to write names in the history books? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, henry d said: Good point, they certainly were a dark shade of red and seem to be a little lighter now but whipping up nationalism on top of a general hatred of England/Westminster allows control of the masses and jobs for life. Dare I mention that there may also be a little bit of wanting to write names in the history books? Somewhat like a former "National SOCIALIST party" then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) New Zealand has closed it’s doors to migrants for the foreseeable future, is that nationalist? Mate can’t move there even though his daughter has citizenship; he returns to the UK every six months for six months, then he’s off again. He says he’s trying to wear them down! Edited October 30, 2019 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 22 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Somewhat like a former "National SOCIALIST party" then! Because the name always reveals the full story, just like the Democratic People's Republic of Korea 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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