TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 So in the future Australia will have to become treeless and a lot tidyer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: So in the future Australia will have to become treeless and a lot tidyer! Or put up with bush fires like have happened for the last few million years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 Yes, one or the other! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 27 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: So in the future Australia will have to become treeless and a lot tidyer! Won’t help Koalas though ,Mrs is going out at Easter they are asking for donations of mittens to help with Koalas burnt paws and pouches to be sewn up for the orphaned Joeys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 Fire breaks? https://www.sciencealert.com/the-bushfires-in-australia-are-so-big-they-re-generating-their-own-weather I might have posted this link before. But these fires are so massive that they basically create their own thunderstorms that, along with lightning strikes, rain down burning lumps of debris instead of water, kilometers ahead of the actual blaze. They self-propagate and once they're going, only nature can stop them. It's like something out of hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 The whole thing has been handled appalling by those in government, should have dealt with promptly from the start instead of differing pic is of 1 of 2 fire trucks at uncle RFS fire shed ( me and daughter playing );the haze around top of cab is water spray called the “ halo “ meant to cool cab in case it gets caught in the fire , just heard town 20 km away is meant to be hav8ng it’s fire and rescue services cut in half talk about adding insult to injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) S Edited January 4, 2020 by mudpatten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted January 4, 2020 Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 7 hours ago, sam triple said: Won’t help Koalas though ,Mrs is going out at Easter they are asking for donations of mittens to help with Koalas burnt paws and pouches to be sewn up for the orphaned Joeys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2020 The cuts to the fire service in Australia may not matter for a few years as nothing left to burn. I think there current pm will have to make some pledges to the people before he gets lynched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, henry d said: Even if you cut fire breaks all it needs is a spark to land in the litter or brush to start it off again. It's also quite a thing to see how forest fires can move, a lot tend to jump from top to top very fast due to the wind leaving the rest of the tree to burn from the top down and it's not unknown for the breaks to be breached too. In extreme cases you just have to retreat. you must remember its all happened many times before what henry stated above is true be it anywhere bush fires are the norm trees and plants flourish after fires they need fires to regenerate also artic ice cores prove this as well as written records it has happened before now social media f book etc hypes the bejisous out of things however now worse than recent years listened to the news worst summers mild winters in years they forget to go two yrs further to 2010 frozen up for weeks one day off a wildfowling ban -10 and more for weeks no global warming bs mentioned until this year media hype bs watched an French athor on the news stating people were getting thick/ stupid as they did not read anymore or research anything anymore everything on google and f book was gospel I remember the summers of 76 and the winters before and after common sense must work rather than media bs for weeks until the next drama trump in the middle east weeks of no climate change to come Edited January 5, 2020 by Saltings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 True they need fires to regenerate but they also need the rain to follow for the regeneration to happen after the fires ,some parts of NSW have had drought for 4 years ,as I stated in a previous post this winter daytime temperatures have been high 20’s to low 30’s ,hence why it was so important to tackle the fires as soon as they broke out yesterday the temps went up again with wind direction changing and 80 mpg gusts ,you can see how these fires travel so fast uncles got 2 pumps set up trained on his house one in the pool which will empty in no time and one in his water bore with the pump sitting 150 feet below ground level with no garantee of how much is left in there , things are going to get worse yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseplant Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 I'm out camping with my boy tonight. The sky over northern NZ is yellow/grey with Aussie bushfire smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseplant Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 Unedited photo. Yellow/orange hue about the place. Very strange. This was early evening (it's summertime). Sky should have been blue in between clouds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 Kind of eerie looking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 On 02/01/2020 at 20:21, figgy said: Lots of these bush fires are started by people. So not a natural disaster. As housing moved out into bush land the fire breaks have not been maintained and the controlled burning. Much like here too much cost cutting. Yes that is a big factor, plus apparently people have been planting lots of trees in the newly developed residential areas because they want the shade and wooded land is considered more upmarket (valuable) compared to bare bush. Its been going on for decades apparently and people have been warned its creating a time bomb. But people like trees over there, as soon as somebody buys a plot of land they want to plant trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 news said smoke particals have travelled over 6000 miles from these fires ,and possible reaching ant artica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 Not sure about Australia but as for California fires it’s a direct result of poor policy. In California small fires are not allowed to burn the underbrush. Plus the liberals refused to allow control burns because of animal habitat. So what happens is you get about 10 years worth of dry dead underbrush and bam. Uncontrollable fire storm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 I hear Metallica have donated $ 750 k towards NSW rfs and Victoria fire services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 Some parts of NSW have had heavy rain down side is its washed ash into the rivers killing hundreds of fish ,cattle also dying from ingesting ash too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 04/01/2020 at 09:49, sam triple said: Fire breaks are ineffective due to winds and temperatures they’ve found burnt leaves on a beach from a rain forest 40+ miles away and that’s the trouble one ember from 40 miles away will start another fire and that just carry’s on the cycle There was an Aussie fireman that built one, he was fined iirc $100,00 for doing so. When the fires hit his town his was one of the few, maybe the only houses that survived. If they are even a small percentage effective then they need to be implemented. If not people have to deal with this kind of stuff https://9gag.com/gag/ad5xwjB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 04/01/2020 at 11:39, TIGHTCHOKE said: So in the future Australia will have to become treeless and a lot tidyer! Or uninhabitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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