enfieldspares Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 Ah Victor Sarasqueta "the most honoured gunmaker in Spain" were granted a Spanish Royal Warrant in 1902. In April 1973 Parker Hale trade price for the Model 6EC (26" bbls, articulated front trigger, Churchill rib) was £75 plus VAT. I know this as I am looking at a P-Hale flyer of that date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted August 18, 2020 Report Share Posted August 18, 2020 And it was actually a combination of looking for an AYA no 2 myself and reading the book Spanish Best that lead to discovering about Sarasqueta and eventually finding my first one which is a 12 bore and the quality is superb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted August 18, 2020 Report Share Posted August 18, 2020 That is truly a work of art. Very nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted August 18, 2020 Report Share Posted August 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, London Best said: That is truly a work of art. Very nice. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suggs Posted August 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2020 very pretty gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suggs Posted August 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2020 One other question with an older AYA and other similar age sbs guns, what are your plans after the lead ban. I was told yesterday that it was ok to put lead through the #2's i looked at but i dont think they had the fleur de lys proof mark on them and i viewed another actually much nicer #2 today in a different RFD and was told they are not safe for steel.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted August 18, 2020 Report Share Posted August 18, 2020 Perfectly safe with ordinary 23/4" steel loads . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted August 18, 2020 Report Share Posted August 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, suggs said: One other question with an older AYA and other similar age sbs guns, what are your plans after the lead ban. I was told yesterday that it was ok to put lead through the #2's i looked at but i dont think they had the fleur de lys proof mark on them and i viewed another actually much nicer #2 today in a different RFD and was told they are not safe for steel.. If it ain't safe for steel tell him you'll do him a favour and take it off his hands for £200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suggs Posted August 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2020 My thoughts exactly, within 5 years it will be potentially worthless and not usable without paying silly my for Bismuth cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted August 18, 2020 Report Share Posted August 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, suggs said: My thoughts exactly, within 5 years it will be potentially worthless and not usable without paying silly my for Bismuth cartridges There is Danish shooters happily rattling steel through Damascus barrels with no problems. Standard pressure steel will be fine through pretty much any AYA gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted August 18, 2020 Report Share Posted August 18, 2020 2 hours ago, suggs said: One other question with an older AYA and other similar age sbs guns, what are your plans after the lead ban. I was told yesterday that it was ok to put lead through the #2's i looked at but i dont think they had the fleur de lys proof mark on them and i viewed another actually much nicer #2 today in a different RFD and was told they are not safe for steel.. All guns with a 70mm chamber and into proof will be absolutely fine with current 70mm (non-HP) steel cartridges. One example being the gamebore 32g of size 4 steel or smaller. Size 3 steel or bigger are apparently classed as HP steel and should not be used. 1 hour ago, suggs said: My thoughts exactly, within 5 years it will be potentially worthless and not usable without paying silly my for Bismuth cartridges That’s a load of nonsense. These old guns may not be usable with massive duck and geese loads but will take an ounce or ounce and 1/8th of steel shot size 4 or smaller no problem. They will continue to be fine for normal range pheasant, pigeon, crow, decoyed close wildfowl, woodcock, snipe etc, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suggs Posted August 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2020 Thats good news then, would be a shame if these old guns didn't get used Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted August 18, 2020 Report Share Posted August 18, 2020 1 hour ago, suggs said: Thats good news then, would be a shame if these old guns didn't get used In the world of guns, no AYA No.2 is an old gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 Oh Well ! Donkey before cart discussion.... Why not try each gun at some clays - using a cartridge load that you intend to use for your shooting - and check that the pattern density is appropriate to that end ? Might be of more relevance to your dilemma than the aesthetics? Hope it works out well for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungle The Bear Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 On 17/08/2020 at 19:50, London Best said: I have no evidence but the word on the street is that many of the cheaper Berettas have the grain painted on. The AYA’s certainly do not. Pity about the pad. As you say such a shame about the pad, but get that covered in nice brown or oxblood leather it would look great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungle The Bear Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 On 18/08/2020 at 17:06, suggs said: My thoughts exactly, within 5 years it will be potentially worthless and not usable without paying silly my for Bismuth cartridges I’ll take it in 5 years if it’s worthless - they’ll be no issues with steel, I shot steel through my no2 last year choked 1/4 1/2. Don’t believe a lot of the scare stories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 On 18/08/2020 at 17:06, suggs said: My thoughts exactly, within 5 years it will be potentially worthless and not usable without paying silly my for Bismuth cartridges Very true. I recently had a £1,000 left to me by an uncle that introduced me to shoooting many years ago. I thought of buying a gun as a memento to him but when lead goes it would become a wall hanger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 20 minutes ago, redial said: Very true. I recently had a £1,000 left to me by an uncle that introduced me to shoooting many years ago. I thought of buying a gun as a memento to him but when lead goes it would become a wall hanger. You clearly didn’t read the replies above, as what you have just said is complete nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted August 20, 2020 Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) Bottom gun looks the best to my eye, the pad ruins the look of the middle gun, but a wooden extension butt pad would look much nicer. Only a fool would think cartridge manufacturers won't make suitable steel carts for older guns if a ban on lead use becomes law. As it stands the sxs can use standard steel cartridges. More and better will be manufactured in future. Edited August 20, 2020 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.C Posted August 21, 2020 Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 On 18/08/2020 at 17:22, Rob85 said: There is Danish shooters happily rattling steel through Damascus barrels with no problems. Standard pressure steel will be fine through pretty much any AYA gun I hope this is true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 On 19/08/2020 at 23:30, Lloyd90 said: You clearly didn’t read the replies above, as what you have just said is complete nonsense. Thanks for your input Lloyd and putting me right. I like old live pigeon guns, which tend to be full & full 2 1/2 inch chambers. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 1 hour ago, redial said: Thanks for your input Lloyd and putting me right. I like old live pigeon guns, which tend to be full & full 2 1/2 inch chambers. Cheers. You can use standard (size 4 and smaller) steel through ANY choke (including full and full). I also believe one of the manufactures may have already produced a 2 1/2” steel cart, but I’m not 100% sure sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted August 24, 2020 Report Share Posted August 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: You can use standard (size 4 and smaller) steel through ANY choke (including full and full). I also believe one of the manufactures may have already produced a 2 1/2” steel cart, but I’m not 100% sure sorry. Does this apply to Any 20 bore With fixed chokes?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted August 24, 2020 Report Share Posted August 24, 2020 7 hours ago, Old farrier said: Does this apply to Any 20 bore With fixed chokes?? Yes, if the gun is Nitro Proofed. Not Black Powder Proof only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted August 24, 2020 Report Share Posted August 24, 2020 7 hours ago, Old farrier said: Does this apply to Any 20 bore With fixed chokes?? Nitro proof and obviously in good condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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