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14 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, did I hear this right, Braverlady quote of the day, we have failed to control our border, yes I agree 👍

She certainly did. If you get chance have a look at her appearance at the recent commons scrutiny committee. When asked how would a person from Africa claim asylum there was likely no option other than to use a small boat. 😁

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9 minutes ago, oowee said:

She certainly did. If you get chance have a look at her appearance at the recent commons scrutiny committee. When asked how would a person from Africa claim asylum there was likely no option other than to use a small boat. 😁

The thing is, there's no need for an African to claim asylum in this country, to get here they would have crossed multiple safe countries first, which makes them an economic migrant, we have no duty, morale or otherwise to pay for these people, or anyone else. That doesn't mean we shouldn't, but we should be free to choose who gets to come here or not. That's border control,anything else is not. 

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28 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

The thing is, there's no need for an African to claim asylum in this country, to get here they would have crossed multiple safe countries first, which makes them an economic migrant, we have no duty, morale or otherwise to pay for these people, or anyone else. That doesn't mean we shouldn't, but we should be free to choose who gets to come here or not. That's border control,anything else is not. 

This. 

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1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said:

The thing is, there's no need for an African to claim asylum in this country, to get here they would have crossed multiple safe countries first, which makes them an economic migrant, we have no duty, morale or otherwise to pay for these people, or anyone else. That doesn't mean we shouldn't, but we should be free to choose who gets to come here or not. That's border control,anything else is not. 

Good post. Sums up my thoughts exactly. 

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57 minutes ago, old'un said:

Question, if someone had a boat that could hold say 1000 people, they then sailed that boat into the English channel and cut the engine saying they were adrift, would they first be rescued and secondly could they claim asylum?

Depends what side of the Channel.

If youre on the British side , then yes , youll be in a nice hotel within 24 hours, with a £150 an hour solicitor provided to process your claim.
If you drift into the French side, no , they will however tow you onto the British side for your convenient 'rescue' by our navy or RNLI.

3 minutes ago, discobob said:

If it was the one that I heard, they were talking in relation to children and she backed herself down an alley with no exit

Case still stands - many ways to claim asylum before getting into a rubber dinghy

THIS is the point , is there no mechanism in France to claim asylum ? Of course there is , so why dont they do that, and then try to arrange to be transferred to their alleged relatives in the UK ?
Quite simple really, if they do that , and their asylum application ultimately fails (highly unlikely~) they can be sent back to France.
Something about the way we are interacting with the French on this , smells rotten.
The whole system isnt just failing, its designed to fail.
Plus its been proven there is interaction between both countries navies and coast guards to facilitate this traffik, and a growing suspicion that there is interaction between French authorities and traffiking gangs.

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Net UK migration last 12 months at half a million, twice that of a few years ago.
Most of them low skilled 3rd world migrants, and these are the ones we know about.
More strain on housing , NHS , schools , social system ......
And yet , there are those who still say we need MORE migrants ?

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2 hours ago, Yellow Bear said:

This sums up a lot of it  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63728830

The French want rid as fast as they can

Shameful. 

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Net UK migration last 12 months at half a million, twice that of a few years ago.
Most of them low skilled 3rd world migrants, and these are the ones we know about.
More strain on housing , NHS , schools , social system ......
And yet , there are those who still say we need MORE migrants ?

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We left the EU to get control of our borders how can this be happening? 

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11 minutes ago, oowee said:

We left the EU to get control of our borders how can this be happening? 

Must be those tory 'scum' types , letting it happen ?

We are still chained to the outdated and unfit for purpose civil service, that sits waiting for the next labour government to come back.
Unfit for purpose asylum laws .
Unfit for purpose system for returning failed asylum seekers.
Greed based attitude from those that scream we need more cheap labour.

The country is ripe for the emergence of far right politics, and not just here , elsewhere in the EU too.

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7 minutes ago, Westley said:

I had a French immigrant in my garden yesterday.................still haven't found the dinghy though  !  😉

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Love it :lol:

8 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Must be those tory 'scum' types , letting it happen ?

We are still chained to the outdated and unfit for purpose civil service, that sits waiting for the next labour government to come back.
Unfit for purpose asylum laws .
Unfit for purpose system for returning failed asylum seekers.
Greed based attitude from those that scream we need more cheap labour.

The country is ripe for the emergence of far right politics, and not just here , elsewhere in the EU too.

Thank god (if there is one) for the civil service, keeping us on the straight to enlightenment, carrying the can for this lame administration. :lol: 

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2 hours ago, Yellow Bear said:

This sums up a lot of it  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63728830

The French want rid as fast as they can

Well I certainly didn't need the BBC to tell me that, been the same forever? 

39 minutes ago, Westley said:

I had a French immigrant in my garden yesterday.................still haven't found the dinghy though  !  😉

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Rd legs from paddling?

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5 hours ago, old'un said:

Question, if someone had a boat that could hold say 1000 people, they then sailed that boat into the English channel and cut the engine saying they were adrift, would they first be rescued and secondly could they claim asylum?

So it would be the size of the larger Caledonian Mc ferries (90+m), cost to hire and fuel to set off from?? Academic really as the crew would be arrested as people smugglers. 

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34 minutes ago, henry d said:

So it would be the size of the larger Caledonian Mc ferries (90+m), cost to hire and fuel to set off from?? Academic really as the crew would be arrested as people smugglers. 

Someone in France felt sorry for them and took them out for the day, the engine packed up and they were in British waters, what then?

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2 hours ago, oowee said:

Thank god (if there is one) for the civil service, keeping us on the straight to enlightenment, carrying the can for this lame administration. 

Oh youll be enlightened alright, first in your bank balance, then theyll start moving into the nicer areas , and turning them into ghettos.

Eventually you will have more and more 1st gen migrants in politics, and from there we will see the country turned into the place where they came from.
Areas of London , Paris, Stockholm and Oslo are already unrecognisable, and modern flats look more like downtown Mogadishu , with many of its denizens living off benefits.

Progress ?

1 hour ago, henry d said:

So it would be the size of the larger Caledonian Mc ferries (90+m), cost to hire and fuel to set off from?? Academic really as the crew would be arrested as people smugglers. 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/11/5/nearly-1000-migrants-stranded-aboard-ngo-ships-as-storm-hits

And the soros funded ones dont seem to have a problem, its 'humanitarian' isnt it ?
https://openmigration.org/en/analyses/how-the-humanitarian-ngos-operate-at-sea/

Anyways , if its OK for the French and UK navies to do it , why cant an err..,Enterprising NGO/people smugglong operation do it ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11427263/EXCLUSIVE-Caught-radio-British-Border-Force-vessels-French-Navy-ships-collude-Channel.html

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1 hour ago, oowee said:

UK net migration hit 504,000 in the year to June - the highest figure ever recorded, The Office for National Statistics (ONS) estimates.

Worth leaving the EU just for that. 🙂 

I didn’t vote leave on the basis of immigration, but now that immigration is big news on MSM no one is any longer being accused of racism at its very mention. It’s ok now to actually say it needs controlling! Weird eh! 🙂
Which goes on to make its control a vote winning policy, so eventually it will be under control one way or another, and we’ll STILL be out of the EU. 
So yes. Little steps and all that. 👍

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1 hour ago, oowee said:

UK net migration hit 504,000 in the year to June - the highest figure ever recorded, The Office for National Statistics (ONS) estimates.

Worth leaving the EU just for that. 🙂 

Brexit is nothing to do with an increase, the difference is, with brexit we can make our own laws to stop it happening and leave the hra, we just need a party that has the guts to do it. 

1 minute ago, Scully said:

I didn’t vote leave on the basis of immigration, but now that immigration is big news on MSM no one is any longer being accused of racism at its very mention. It’s ok now to actually say it needs controlling! Weird eh! 🙂
Which goes on to make its control a vote winning policy, so eventually it will be under control one way or another, and we’ll STILL be out of the EU. 
So yes. Little steps and all that. 👍

All good points Scully. 

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