Mungler Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, henry d said: You don't seem to want to go pre 14 do you? A section of pro Russian government, including the premier does a u turn on an economic deal with the EU. The government is overthrown and Russia bumps up the price of gas by 80% 🤔 Neither pre 14 nor the here and now. If there was consensus appetite in Ukraine for Russian rule then we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Indeed, don’t get me wrong, if Putin had greased enough palms, got the media and population on side and was able to slide into Ukraine on a red carpet - great job, good effort and everyone’s a winner. But that’s not even close to where we are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 5 hours ago, mchughcb said: Russia was invited by the people who previously identified as Ukrainians to protect them. Eh? 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchughcb Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 40 minutes ago, henry d said: You don't seem to want to go pre 14 do you? A section of pro Russian government, including the premier does a u turn on an economic deal with the EU. The government is overthrown and Russia bumps up the price of gas by 80% 🤔 Did you bother to watch Ukraine on fire? They interview him over his decision. The cheap gas deal was better financially for the country than the loans the west were giving. If he took that deal then they would be paying fuel prices which he couldn't afford to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 8 hours ago, welsh1 said: Russia should have nothing at all to so with Ukraine's internal affairs and has no legal reason to invade Ukraine . Let Ukraine sort it's problems out. An aggressive act of war from Russia led by a deranged fool. If Ukraine had wanted to join NATO they were free to do so, it's not up to Russia it's up to Ukraine. Neither should the West or NATO but it didn't stop them causing the war. Likewise, 8 years of the West arming and training a Ukranian Army to take back the Dombass by force is letting Ukraine sorting it's own problems out? Putin has both the upper and lower houses of the Russian parliament authorising what he is doing. If Ukraine was free, why did the West organise a coup and overthrow a democratically elected government to prevent them aligning with the Russian Federation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchughcb Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 28 minutes ago, Scully said: Eh? 🤔 I just post the first link https://tass.com/politics/1409091 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 48 minutes ago, henry d said: You don't seem to want to go pre 14 do you? A section of pro Russian government, including the premier does a u turn on an economic deal with the EU. The government is overthrown and Russia bumps up the price of gas by 80% 🤔 You seem to forget that we did exactly the same, it was called Brexit. The democratically elected government of Ukraine decided not to go with the EU and to align with Russian Federation and had the mandate from its supporters to do so. I can understand why the same people who were Brexit Remainers, are now supporting the illegal Ukrainian Government as they are currently trying a soft coup in the UK by still working towards EU reintegration by destroying the Tory government and trying to force an election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 Quote Demanding answers from everyone again and complaining about the answer? Very strange behaviour. I asked, not demanded, but didn't get a response. I think you and your two fellow Putin fans have cornered the "strange" market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 45 minutes ago, Mungler said: If there was consensus appetite in Ukraine for Russian rule then we wouldn’t be having this conversation. If there was concensus appetite in Ukraine for EU rule then Yanukovych would never have been elected and the coup would never have been required. But there wasn't, the EU was being shoved down the populations throats by previous governments politicians who were following their supporters interests but ignoring the rest of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, mchughcb said: I just post the first link https://tass.com/politics/1409091 Ah, right. Makes you wonder what all the complaints are about then really, eh? Ungrateful lot! 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchughcb Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 This view that all of Ukraine was against Russia stepping is a completely false narrative. Russian speaking Ukrainians in the east, declared a separate state, then asked Russia for protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, mchughcb said: This view that all of Ukraine was against Russia stepping is a completely false narrative. Russian speaking Ukrainians in the east, declared a separate state, then asked Russia for protection. By that logic. Vast areas of Britain with clusters where English is a second language, could declare themselves an independent state. Then could they legitimately call upon their home nation to come and defend them? Any dissolution of a Nation, need’s agreement from the Nation as a whole? But I’m equally happy for Grimsby to declare independence 😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) The needle on my acme delusional-o-meter just went off the scale and bent with this; ah democracy and rule of law in Putin’s Russia: “Putin has both the upper and lower houses of the Russian parliament authorising what he is doing.” Of course he does, or they’d be imprisoned, murdered or last seen inexplicably falling out of windows. But no, the Kremlin shills support all murders carried out by Putin & Co and worship their leader - the bare chested horseback riding strongman whom the Ukrainians have only rejected because of NATO / US interference 😆😆 46 minutes ago, Jaymo said: By that logic. Vast areas of Britain with clusters where English is a second language, could declare themselves an independent state. Then could they legitimately call upon their home nation to come and defend them? Any dissolution of a Nation, need’s agreement from the Nation as a whole? But I’m equally happy for Grimsby to declare independence 😂😂 Good post Edited October 19, 2022 by Mungler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 52 minutes ago, Jaymo said: could declare themselves an independent state. Bit like Passport to Pimlico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 25 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Bit like Passport to Pimlico. But with an illegal invasion, a war and more mass murder / atrocities etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 3 hours ago, henry d said: Because the law states that the whole country needed to vote on it, Donbass decided to have an illegal referendum. Ah, the law. Was the removal of Yanukovych legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Jaymo said: Vast areas of Britain with clusters where English is a second language, could declare themselves an independent state. Wait for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Mungler said: the bare chested horseback riding strongman Dont , youve just made me really horny 2 hours ago, Jaymo said: By that logic. Vast areas of Britain with clusters where English is a second language, could declare themselves an independent state. Then could they legitimately call upon their home nation to come and defend them? Any dissolution of a Nation, need’s agreement from the Nation as a whole? No one is saying that ...Oh wait ! https://cointelegraph.com/news/london-may-become-independent-city-state-in-wake-of-brexit 😄 Joking apart, what exactly WOULD happen if for instance a county in Englandistan decided they were going indy due to their demographic and cultural heritage from an outside country ? Obviously they have the right to ask Westminster for a vote, which can be refused, but say the vote goes ahead, how is it done , obviously if the whole country votes , they dont have a cat in hells chance of winning a yes, and if only the county votes , there is little chance of a no, due to the demographic ? Scotlands indy vote wasnt given to the entirety of the UK , as it would have been unfair, but thats another story. So anyway , the county is going to be independent come what may, what would we do? 1 Let them get on with it ? 2 Sanction them to death , block the roads and starve them out? 3 Send the SAS in to 'remove' the leaders ? 4 Shell them into oblivion, and recruit neo nazi militia into the regular army to deal with these scumbags ? Can you see how its gets complicated quickly ? Now throw in some other state actors to turn the whole thing into a proxy war, and 'Grimsby' turns into the catalyst for WW3. Who'd have thunk it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Stonepark said: You seem to forget that we did exactly the same, it was called Brexit. No we didn't do exactly that, we had been part of the EU and democratically voted to leave. Ukrainian government officials were just about to sign up for the EU trade deal and then mysteriously did a U turn. The above are totally different as bananas and eggs are, not exactly, not similar, not in the same ball park! 1 hour ago, treetree said: Ah, the law. Was the removal of Yanukovych legal? Whataboutery! Russian puppet does U turn and eventually flees to.... Yeah you guessed it, Russia 🇷🇺 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 But that’s why we have the legal framework in place. The same argument has occurred with the Brexit situation. Just because you don’t like the result. You cannot independently rejoin. Same as a nationwide ballot shows that the nation isn’t for splitting up, then you can’t just get on with doing the very opposite. The response here of course would be different. I know Grimsby has its problems, but an armed militia response backed by a superpower isn’t one of them. So none of your responses would be required. Maybe just the old bill going in to break up the demo. Besides, most won’t be out of their shell suits before midday or be ‘bovvered’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, henry d said: Ukrainian government officials were just about to sign up for the EU trade deal and then mysteriously did a U turn. Which incensed the populace so much, they decided to stage protests, that werent at all paid for by the US government, which ended with a coup, much bloodshed and 8 years of civil war , 15000 dead , and division of the nation that resulted in Russia invading and destroying half the country. Guess they really wanted to be part of the EU didnt they ? 1 minute ago, Jaymo said: But that’s why we have the legal framework in place. Until it all breaks down. 2 minutes ago, Jaymo said: The same argument has occurred with the Brexit situation. Just because you don’t like the result. You cannot independently rejoin. Someone needs to tell Krankie that 3 minutes ago, Jaymo said: The response here of course would be different. I know Grimsby has its problems, but an armed militia response backed by a superpower isn’t one of them. Have you seen the chav militia in Grimsby , unchecked they would be in Doncaster within a week 🤪 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 17 minutes ago, henry d said: Whataboutery! Russian puppet does U turn and eventually ... Ah, break open "Whataboutery" in case of emergency, when a prior incident learly shows the hypocrisy / double standards of a subsequent action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 25 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Have you seen the chav militia in Grimsby , unchecked they would be in Doncaster within a week 🤪 They already do on a Friday night. On a Wednesday they attend the ‘bags ball’ in Cleethorpes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, treetree said: Ah, break open "Whataboutery" in case of emergency, when a prior incident learly shows the hypocrisy / double standards of a subsequent action. He wasn't removed he foxtrotted oscar back to Russia. Edited October 19, 2022 by henry d Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 4 hours ago, mchughcb said: Did you bother to watch Ukraine on fire? No, did you not read my reasoning behind not watching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 19 minutes ago, Jaymo said: They already do on a Friday night. On a Wednesday they attend the ‘bags ball’ in Cleethorpes. How do you know of such things ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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