ordnance Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, Mice! said: When is there not? What's this 8 year war been about? Something must have made them decide to act, possibly knowing the west are supplying them? Possibly the weak response from the west to Crimea etc encouraged Putin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Stuarta said: The Ukrainian people know what Russian domination under Putin will be like, that is why so many are willing to fight. Some of the posts on here about how they should let Russian troops take over make me fear for this country if we ever have to defend ourselves. Woke doesn’t even start to describe them. From what the news said many Russian and Ukrainian people are related which makes this invasion odd. The Russians completely rolled over the Ukrainian army back in 2014 Which brought changes to their military, with an increase in numbers and better training. What seems odd is this isn't over religion, they aren't committing genocide, it's being made out Putin wants to remove the Government? That's why I'd expect the population to keep their heads down, without military back up, supplies and equipment what chance do they have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Dave-G said: Dunno but its not adding up how three countries pledged to protect Ukraine but two evade the issue while a third attacks it. There's lots of subterfuge bubbling away methinks. Could be but sometimes things are what they are, Putin wanting to crush a democracy on his door step and expand Russian influence. Edited February 25, 2022 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 And as Ukraine supplies a large amount of ours and Europes wheat and cooking oils we are in a situation where Russia can hold Europe to ransom if it takes control of Ukraine. Gas and bread etc will be hiked up and after the pandemic could the country survive? Where next on his advance ? Poland Romania Bulgaria Mass exodus to Europe adding to overcrowded countries i fear for them and the aftermath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 Quote Where next on his advance ? Poland Romania Bulgaria Mass exodus to Europe adding to overcrowded countries i fear for them and the aftermath. I doubt even Putin is daft enough to attack a NATO country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Dave-G said: I was initially of this mind but having looked elsewhere from western news we're being fed I'm keeping more of an open mind about what else is being put out there: I'm sure US would do something if this happened on their doorstep. https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=putin biolabs&kind=video looms like a reputable source of world news. Can watch some Anime and get the real news at the same time? 👀👀 The people of Ukraine are taking up arms, saw one of their female MP’s earlier, she said she’s never fired a gun before but after a crash course is willing to stay and fight. They have AK’s and Molotov’s and they’re not giving up! She said they have already stopped (and executed by the sounds of it) a Spetznaz hit squad that attempted to sneak into their building dressed as Ukrainian soldiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted February 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 18 hours ago, MirokuMK70 said: Belligerence only goes so far. It would be a certain death sentence for anyone who did this... would you take that decision? Ukraine is not guerilla country, there are no vietnam jungles or afghan mountains to melt away into and I can't imagine anyone who lives there wants Kiev turning into another Grozny... Yes, with out a doubt yes. I would hide in the ruins and I would get one. As an American my wife expects me to defend the homeland from any threat. My mother would never forgive me for fleeing. I would demand nothing less from my son. You stay, fight. Make the invaders bleed for every door, every foot they advance they bleed. 16 hours ago, Blackpowder said: Reports of protests against the invasion in many Russian cities, that also takes courage. Blackpowder Every dead Russian has 10 protesters attached to them. 17 hours ago, MirokuMK70 said: I think if I lived in Kiev right now I'd rather get it over with and live a relatively normal life under whatever puppet regime Putin installs, rather than see my wife and daughter living in a hole in the ground in a bullet swept wasteland, a la Grozny. Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted February 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 16 hours ago, chrisjpainter said: And each Russian tank commander only needs to blow a house or block of flats apart before being... able to rub his hands together and shout 'Следующий!' (Next in Russian) It's a naive attitude to think that way. Millions of Ukranian citizens will be killed without ever laying a glove on a Russian. How many rounds does a tank carry? How much fuel? How many bridges between Russia and the front line? Fuel trucks can cross rivers without bridges, ammo truck exploded when hit with IEDs. Tank round does very little damage to building. If tanks start firing at every abandoned building they past while they are 40 miles from a resupply then they already lost. 16 hours ago, chrisjpainter said: It is...but it's not a complicated geography as such. The mountainous regions are crammed into the extreme Western and Southern areas and there's only 18% forest/woodland. The vast majority of it is flat and with a very good road network, making troop movement and area control much more straightforward. This isn't Afghanistan, with its myriad of gorges, mountains and inaccessible passes. You drive through most of Ukraine and it is soul-crushingly dull for mile after mile after mile... Sounds like perfect gorilla warfare battlefield. Apartment blocks, store fronts to hide in. A population of civilians to melt into. Schools and hospitals to attack from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted February 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 5 hours ago, Minky said: I'm slightly surprised by the overall defeatist tone of most of the posts on this thread. There was one American General (ret) who said that the Russians ain't got enough manpower or equipment to do the job. That Ukraine is a massive country (twice as big as France) and the ground is blooming wet this year for mechanized operations. He said that 190,000 men sounds a lot but when you take all of the support troops, drivers, cooks ect ect they aint going to do a shock and awe just like that. We dont know what's going down out there but when you see the population of blokes turning back after they've got the wife and kids out of the country to sign up and draw their weapon they have commitment to their country. Even if they aren't highly trained they only have to kill one Russian each and the toll will mount up. The largest armies in the world have all suffered defeats at the hands of minor armed groups. Earlier on the news they said that 80,000 weapons had been handed out to volunteers. If everyone uses them that's a lot of lead flying around. The Russian currency is falling through the floor and sooner or later they are going to turn. Not only that they've lost out on the footy. There's a long way to go yet. Total madness. The Ukraine troops laying in muddy scrapes with snow falling on them waiting for the russians looked pretty comitted to me. They were near to the smoking remnants of some vehicle that they had blasted to bits. Have Faith and dig in. Let them come in close boys.... and girls. Time and economics will tell. There are several TikTok videos that show Abandoned tanks in fields. The video I saw was about ten burnt tanks and according to the camera guy the Russian set the tanks on fire themselves when they got stuck in the field. All of them was buried half way up the tracks. Apparently Russian tanks need a good solid road to move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirokuMK70 Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 5 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said: Yes, with out a doubt yes. I would hide in the ruins and I would get one. As an American my wife expects me to defend the homeland from any threat. My mother would never forgive me for fleeing. I would demand nothing less from my son. You stay, fight. Make the invaders bleed for every door, every foot they advance they bleed. Every dead Russian has 10 protesters attached to them. Wow Cut the bombastic **** mate. You would "get one"?- you would die taking a spotty 18 yr old russian squaddy with you and it would mean nothing. You live in a nation that hasn't seen the effects of war on its soil since 1865... just because you have a basement full of guns and shoot old fridges for fun in your back garden doesn't make you an effective soldier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 50 minutes ago, MirokuMK70 said: Cut the bombastic **** mate. You would "get one"?- you would die taking a spotty 18 yr old russian squaddy with you and it would mean nothing. You live in a nation that hasn't seen the effects of war on its soil since 1865... just because you have a basement full of guns and shoot old fridges for fun in your back garden doesn't make you an effective soldier. You don't have to be a professional, when you are talking about your home it's different. You can't leave it to others to die for you. Look at Afghanistan. Let in the invader and you will live but what value life under the boot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 No oil or other natural resources to plunder for the US so the people that controls the politicians, the Koch brothers etc, will not allow american troops on the ground. No profit = no war... /M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Nuke said: No oil or other natural resources to plunder for the US so the people that controls the politicians, the Koch brothers etc, will not allow american troops on the ground. No profit = no war... /M Take your tin foil hat off and then learn about the consequences of the USA sending troops into Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottletopbill Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) How many have left our shores to save there own country?. Or doing illegal activities in UK send all those from the Ukraine in our prisons back to fight for there country. Before any other National loses there life. Edited February 26, 2022 by bottletopbill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, bottletopbill said: How many have left our shores to save there own country?. Or doing illegal activities in UK send all those from the Ukraine in our prisons back to fight for there country. Before any other National loses there life. In fairness to the Ukrainians, it does seem that many are standing up and fighting for their country and freedom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 well one thing is for sure .......this is a god send to the news services...they will be making money...and looking for awards for their coverage......just waiting for Alex Crawford to take over........what an adrenalin junky she is ...cant abide her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 Goodbye Ukraine, we let you down. I wonder what Putin will target next? Seems Finland is in his sights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Nuke said: No oil or other natural resources to plunder for the US so the people that controls the politicians, the Koch brothers etc, will not allow american troops on the ground. No profit = no war... /M You should perhaps think before opening your mouth (or typing) and making a fool of yourself. If you bothered to check before making silly posts you’d see that Ukraine is very rich in natural resources and gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: You should perhaps think before opening your mouth (or typing) and making a fool of yourself. If you bothered to check before making silly posts you’d see that Ukraine is very rich in natural resources and gas. am i right in thinking that Ukraine produces 28% of grain for Europe.......?.....if so that is a hell of a alot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 19 minutes ago, ditchman said: am i right in thinking that Ukraine produces 28% of grain for Europe.......?.....if so that is a hell of a alot I think it is 8 to 10% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 26 minutes ago, ditchman said: am i right in thinking that Ukraine produces 28% of grain for Europe.......?.....if so that is a hell of a alot They call in the bread basket of Europe I believe. Also very rich in minerals, ores and gas. That’s not to mention it’s strategic value. The suggestion that there aren’t EU, U.K. or US boots on the ground in Ukraine because they don’t have oil shows how little some people think before making stupid comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirokuMK70 Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 Ukraine was always the breadbasket of the USSR. During the 1930s the russians systematically took away almost every grain of wheat produced- deliberately causing a famine that killed millions of Ukrainians- the holodomor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted February 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 4 hours ago, MirokuMK70 said: Cut the bombastic **** mate. You would "get one"?- you would die taking a spotty 18 yr old russian squaddy with you and it would mean nothing. You live in a nation that hasn't seen the effects of war on its soil since 1865... just because you have a basement full of guns and shoot old fridges for fun in your back garden doesn't make you an effective soldier. The one I take probably not, but when they lost one kicking in the door of the building next door and they are going to loose one around the next allyway those deaths had up, physically and mentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Goodbye Ukraine, we let you down. I wonder what Putin will target next? Seems Finland is in his sights. Finland are not in NATO so they will have to take their chances, or may be as some on here would probable suggest surrender now and save Putin any trouble! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 There you go @ditchman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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