babs2020 Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 hi guys you who breed when having tails docked do have to have the full litter done as was going to keep one but the rest are going to none working homes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjaferret Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 Don't dock ... personally I feel it devalues the dog .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 Is it not the case that you can only dock with a good reason? Such as going to work. Our cocker is docked and de clawed and it works well for a hunting dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjaferret Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 The vet may ask for details of the working homes the docked pups go to . It won't be a problem if one is left undone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babs2020 Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 only want docking that i am keeping for working Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjaferret Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 33 minutes ago, babs2020 said: only want docking that i am keeping for working That's what your supposed to be doing..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babs2020 Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 yes m8 was thinking can get problems with your bitch as only ones been done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 Why would you not get the lot done? Legalities aside, it doesn't really matter whether their intended home is "working" or not - all of the pups in the litter have the potential to behave the same way once the connection between nose and legs kicks in, therefore all of them have the potential to benefit from the tail docking. I don't see how a vet can ask for third parties' details because a lot of pups at the time of docking haven't even been sold yet. The vet will ask some questions and take you at your word, so if you're a shooter and you say you're going to sell them to fellow shooters it's an absolutely plausible situation for the vet to go ahead with the docking. What breed are we talking about here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PERCE Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 Get the lot done, how do you know which pup you want at 3 days old? I've bred spaniel litters & I've never had the 3rd degree questioning from the vet as to where they'll eventually go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benbobailey Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, Ultrastu said: Don't dock ... personally I feel it devalues the dog .. Nonsense! Possibility of damaged tails when working is a greater concern than your perceived devaluation. Babs2020, there is no problem getting part litters docked , although I would dock them all as they may end up working. Regards Edited March 20, 2022 by benbobailey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 Your saying my preferences (which are the same as all the other people I know who have dogs ) is wrong when I'm looking to buy a new dog . Your nuts. I work my spaniel and absolutely won't consider a docked dog .but I'm wrong ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 Would never buy a pup that wasn’t docked. Even if some are going to pet homes, if a spaniel they can go charging around on walks and injure their tales. If someone is breeding ‘working dogs’ of a breed that is usually docked and hasn’t docked the pups I would have serious concerns about whether they actually work the dog at all, and their knowledge of why it is important. Docking is not just done for looks. I don’t see how you can pick the pups your going to want to keep by 3 days old. Pups change a lot as they grow and are showing almost nothing by 3 days. Once again, anyone picking their pup at that age, based I can only assume purely on looks / the colour, would cause me to have doubts about their credentials breeding ‘working dogs’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benbobailey Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 23 hours ago, Ultrastu said: Don't dock ... personally I feel it devalues the dog .. If you put the value of a dog before it's health and safety, then yes, you are wrong. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 What breed are you talking and in what term would you consider it to devalue a dog? Considering the vast majority of working dog enthusiasts say they wouldn’t buy an undocked dog I can only see it to increase their value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjaferret Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 At 3 days old my pups were docked and vet asked for list of working homes when the pups came back for microchips, i had them all done as all were going to working homes. So no one had actually picked their pup at that age. I think personally, it was the vet making sure tails were docked for work and not vanity, as far as he could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wj939 Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 On 19/03/2022 at 20:20, Ultrastu said: Don't dock ... personally I feel it devalues the dog .. Pigeon watch at its finest….there’s always one 🤣🤣🤣 13 hours ago, Ultrastu said: Your saying my preferences (which are the same as all the other people I know who have dogs ) is wrong when I'm looking to buy a new dog . Your nuts. I work my spaniel and absolutely won't consider a docked dog .but I'm wrong ? Can you explain the advantages on an undocked tail for working spaniels? I’m intrigued Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 I must admit I wouldn't buy a spaniel unless it had been docked no matter what it's breeding is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjaferret Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 hours ago, B725 said: I must admit I wouldn't buy a spaniel unless it had been docked no matter what it's breeding is. Ditto... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benbobailey Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, ninjaferret said: Ditto... 👍 3 hours ago, B725 said: I must admit I wouldn't buy a spaniel unless it had been docked no matter what it's breeding is. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted March 23, 2022 Report Share Posted March 23, 2022 I think that docked dogs are ineligible for "showing" .... eh?? ...whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokingdragon Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 Docked vs undocked I have a cocker and an ESS both with docked tails and they aren't working as such but are from working homes. My son has a 1year old ESS with an undocked tail. where we walk them is all rough cover, brambles etc, rocks. My 2 never have danaged tails , Bear my boys dog always has a bleeding tail and it gets sore 😞 When he asked the vet about the tail he was told there can be complications docking now whereas when they are new born, there are usually no issues with docking. My advise would be if you have wild spaniels they are far better off with docked tails. My wife wasn't keen on the idea of tail docking but has changed her mind now. On the otherhand we've had a few dobermans in the past and the last one had an undocked tail and it made no difference and apart from cosmetic looks I think Dobermans don't need docked tails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) Docked tail every time for me with my working dogs. Even one of mine with a longer dock still gets tail damage. Edited March 25, 2022 by rimfire4969 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 On 23/03/2022 at 09:00, harkom said: I think that docked dogs are ineligible for "showing" .... eh?? ...whatever. Your not allowed to show them at any event the public pays to enter. I’m sure all the people who are interested in breeding quality working dogs will feel the loss at that! 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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