SNP Independance again

[clangerman]

2 hours ago, ditchman said:

see nobody has taken a stab at the original question of the post 

 

she will fund by borrowing until the debt can’t possibly be repaid then borrow some more sound familiar? 

[Jega]

From what I can gather, she intends to take Scotland back into the E.E.C. at some point. Presumably they will be funding her aspirations, after we have given her some sort of "parachute payment " over a period of time much like relegated football clubs .

[ditchman]

9 minutes ago, Jega said:

From what I can gather, she intends to take Scotland back into the E.E.C. at some point. Presumably they will be funding her aspirations, after we have given her some sort of "parachute payment " over a period of time much like relegated football clubs .

from what i have gleaned the EU is none too happy about them rejoining the EU...as it would be a large drain on their already diminished coffers

[Bigbob]

Wee Jimmy like Wee Eck  only had one plan THE SCOTTISH OIL WILL PAY FOR INDEPANTS there never was a back up or plan B 

Now she will borrow to get what she wants and then when we are totally screwed walk off and leave her mess for somebody else to sort out 

We cant afford to live under her rules now hows it going to be come xmas when the prices go up again and all she does is blame the english parliment 

[Pushkin]

The EU will not entertain her as Scotland does not have the necessary capital or means of acquiring it to meet the EU requirements.  I'm more than happy as a British subject even though a born and bred scot.  Have always got on with you lot and you seem to get on with me when we meet in person.  Now retired and wondering who is going to pay my pension and will it be in full??? if she gets independence,  Can I insist on it being in British pounds? Lord what a state this country is in at present.  It has so much going for it too but the SNP are too busy being nerds.  I know who/what I'm voting for when it comes around again.  Only if there is a box for ousting the SNP and all its cronies along with the Green Party😆

[ditchman]

21 minutes ago, Pushkin said:

The EU will not entertain her as Scotland does not have the necessary capital or means of acquiring it to meet the EU requirements.  I'm more than happy as a British subject even though a born and bred scot.  Have always got on with you lot and you seem to get on with me when we meet in person.  Now retired and wondering who is going to pay my pension and will it be in full??? if she gets independence,  Can I insist on it being in British pounds? Lord what a state this country is in at present.  It has so much going for it too but the SNP are too busy being nerds.  I know who/what I'm voting for when it comes around again.  Only if there is a box for ousting the SNP and all its cronies along with the Green Party😆

you will always have a home in England if the poo hits the fan.....as long as you pay for your own cartridges 

[ditchman]

just listened to Sturgeons speech............that woman is full of utter hate and dislike ..contempt...of the English....this leave the union is self serving totally for her own edification........she has zero understanding of economics...........her vote has been won on lies and misinformation...lack of information.........and im truly amazed at the stupidity of her voters...when all over the world the Scots are known for their intelligence....christ ...the Scots ran the British Empire

  HOW  she has managed to stay alive is totally beyond me..........

[discobob]

Napoleon Complex comes to mind

[benbobailey]

On 14/06/2022 at 18:28, ditchman said:

her and putin ....match made in heaven

Absolutely ridiculous statement. I am Scottish , served in the British Army and am a proud to be a citizen of the UK. I despise ms Sturgeon and her politics, but to compare her in anyway to Putin and his murderous atrocities is ludicrous   . As stated in a post above, the majority of Scots voted against separatist parties.(SNP, greens etc). Regards 

[adzyvilla]

Hi ditchy. I think they did an attempt at costing out independence a few years ago and the bulk of their income was to be from oil revenue from the north Sea fields, like a Caledonian version of Norway. Given that the ownership of North Sea oil and gas is debatable in the first place, even back then it was a laughable attempt at financing independence. Fast forward a few years to the present situation we find ourselves in regards to green policies and net zero/carbon neutrality the snps claims look even more ludicrous. They also wanted to keep the pound sterling meaning they couldn't set their own interest rates (until they rejoined the eu and adopted the euro, highly unlikely in the short to medium term). As the pound isn't what it once was, and with Scotland taking on their share of the UK national debt one can only assume if they'd won the vote first time round they'd be broke or defaulted by now. Presently it looks even more bleak, so any claims nicola and Co make with regard to support for independence are very likely to be unfounded, at least outside of the braveheart fantasists. In my opinion, this is being stirred up to distract from other problems in Scotland. The Scots deserve better.

[ditchman]

33 minutes ago, benbobailey said:

Absolutely ridiculous statement. I am Scottish , served in the British Army and am a proud to be a citizen of the UK. I despise ms Sturgeon and her politics, but to compare her in anyway to Putin and his murderous atrocities is ludicrous   . As stated in a post above, the majority of Scots voted against separatist parties.(SNP, greens etc). Regards 

so why are the scottish being led by the nose out of the union ?....by the SNP........ voter Apathy ?

[benbobailey]

34 minutes ago, ditchman said:

so why are the scottish being led by the nose out of the union ?....by the SNP........ voter Apathy ?

The British electoral system. Simplistic example: 3 constituencies each 10000 voters. Election results: constituency 1 Labour 5000, Conservative 3000, SNP 2000.  Therefore 1 Labour MP.......... constituency 2 Labour 2500, Conservative 3500, SNP 4000 Therefore 1 SNP MP....... Constuency 3 Labour  3000. Conservative 3000. SNP 4000. Therefore 1 SNP MP.   Total votes per party: Labour --10500

Conservative-- 9500

SNP ----10000

Total MPs " SNP 2"

                    Labour 1

              Conservative 0

SNP with half votes, has double MPs.

Also the SNP has a very vocal minority, as with all things in life those who want change , or don't like something: shout loudest.

[benbobailey]

The elected MPs in most constuencies in the UK have under 50% of cast votes. Simply put,  more people voted against them. That is part of the explanation in Scotland as to why the country is under SNP/ Green control. The SNP is a mixture of genuine believers that Scotland would fare better, Bravehearts, Republicans, left wing agitators, English haters, and some who are simply led to believe the SNP propaganda. I feel the majority of the country wish to remain in a strong UK.

[ditchman]

Well Benbobailey............what can i say.......something needs to happen ..your end......all we hear down here is the scots hate of the English ..and we are all sick to the stomach with this retoric every time the word scottish is uttered..........

if you god fearing intelligent brave scots dont do something ...you are going to be on your own living in a busted flush of a country..........this is going to be the messiest divorce in history.....

[oowee]

49 minutes ago, ditchman said:

so why are the scottish being led by the nose out of the union ?....by the SNP........ voter Apathy ?

There does not have to be logic in a vote like this. Brexit is a classic. Some things are led by the heart not the head. 

1 hour ago, benbobailey said:

Absolutely ridiculous statement. I am Scottish , served in the British Army and am a proud to be a citizen of the UK. I despise ms Sturgeon and her politics, but to compare her in anyway to Putin and his murderous atrocities is ludicrous   . As stated in a post above, the majority of Scots voted against separatist parties.(SNP, greens etc). Regards 

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Seems to me their would be a number of reasons the EU would not welcome Scotland. 1. Capital controls, 2. The Ukraine Bill 3. Spain 4. Another porous border problem. 

[benbobailey]

3 minutes ago, ditchman said:

Well Benbobailey............what can i say.......something needs to happen ..your end......all we hear down here is the scots hate of the English ..and we are all sick to the stomach with this retoric every time the word scottish is uttered..........

if you god fearing intelligent brave scots dont do something ...you are going to be on your own living in a busted flush of a country..........this is going to be the messiest divorce in history.....

Something did happen, several years ago. A once in a lifetime referendum was held re independence. The majority vote was in favour to remain in UK.

Don't listen to all the noise about about everyone want "freedom" and hates the English. As I said a vocal but powerful minority. On the subject of political leaders messrs Johnson, Starmer etc aren't glowing examples of responsibility or respectability either. People in Scotland are also aware of the English Defence League, National Front, etc etc and all the other English National parties. I have seen first hand ,from my time in the armed forces,  the horrors and hatred that follows Nationalism.

[ditchman]

13 minutes ago, oowee said:

There does not have to be logic in a vote like this. Brexit is a classic. Some things are led by the heart not the head. 

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Seems to me their would be a number of reasons the EU would not welcome Scotland. 1. Capital controls, 2. The Ukraine Bill 3. Spain 4. Another porous border problem. 

would that be the Catalan question ?.............resulting in veto ?

[oowee]

8 minutes ago, ditchman said:

would that be the Catalan question ?.............resulting in veto ?

I reckon so. If there was an EU upside then no doubt a way could be found. Macedonia becoming Northern Macedonia to keep the Greeks sweet is the sort of thing. 

[Scully]

40 minutes ago, oowee said:

There does not have to be logic in a vote like this. Brexit is a classic. Some things are led by the heart not the head. 

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Quite right. Once Scotland has gained independence and all its politicians have emigrated north of the border, hopefully we will see less of those embittered and spiteful bloodshot faces in the House of Commons. 
I don’t see half as many EU politicians on my tv screen these days. 
There’s always an upside. 🙂
 

[benbobailey]

22 minutes ago, Scully said:

Quite right. Once Scotland has gained independence and all its politicians have emigrated north of the border, hopefully we will see less of those embittered and spiteful bloodshot faces in the House of Commons. 
I don’t see half as many EU politicians on my tv screen these days. 
There’s always an upside. 🙂
 

Hello Scully, You seem to think it is a forgone conclusion that the SNP / Greens will be successful in their quest for independence. I understand there cannot be another legal referendum without the consent of UK parliament, which I doubt is forthcoming! I also feel there is  as many spiteful etc English/Irish/Welsh MPs in parliament. Some consider themselves friends of convicted terrorists, anti royal,are filled with hatred and jealousy to all things British/ white/ American or whatever the in hate is. Ms Sturgeon is devious and dangerous, but have you listened to some prominent Labour female ( don't call them that) MPs recently. Pure hatred and contempt for this country and the hard working, long suffering voters. Most politicians of all parties are not trustworthy and none can really claim moral high ground. Watching porn, cheating and lying to partners and family,false or inflated expense claims ,sexual impropriety etc, etc

Edited June 28, 2022 by benbobailey

[Scully]

6 minutes ago, benbobailey said:

Hello Scully, You seem to think it is a forgone conclusion that the SNP / Greens will be successful in their quest for independence. I understand there cannot be another legal referendum without the consent of UK parliament, which I doubt is forthcoming! I also feel there is  as many spiteful etc English/Irish/Welsh MPs in parliament. Some consider themselves friends of convicted terrorists, anti royal,are filled with hatred and jealousy to all things British/ white/ American or whatever the in hate is. Ms Sturgeon is devious and dangerous, but have you listened to some prominent Labour female ( don't call them that) MPs recently. Pure hatred and contempt for this country and the hard working, long suffering voters. Most politicians of all parties are not trustworthy and none can really claim moral high ground. Watching porn, cheating and lying to partners and family,false or inflated expense claims ,sexual impropriety etc, etc

It may not be a foregone conclusion at all, but I’ll keep my fingers crossed. 
I like Scotland and I like the Scottish ( but there have also been some very unpleasant occasions too, which wouldn’t have happened if our roles had been reversed ) but they obviously voted this spiteful little gremlin into the office she now holds, so in my opinion it’s time to go. 
We’re 100% in agreement regarding the make up of politicians, whatever the party. 

[benbobailey]

32 minutes ago, Scully said:

Quite right. Once Scotland has gained independence and all its politicians have emigrated north of the border, hopefully we will see less of those embittered and spiteful bloodshot faces in the House of Commons. 
I don’t see half as many EU politicians on my tv screen these days. 
There’s always an upside. 🙂
 

Scully, purely out of curiosity do you find anti English sentiments or feel an anti English atmosphere when you visit Westlands ? I would like to think guests from all over the world ( I have taken American visitors there and made most welcome) let alone England would be welcomed. Westlands is in a Scottish constituency, albeit with a conservative MP and voted overwhelmingly to remain in UK 

Just now, benbobailey said:

Scully, purely out of curiosity do you find anti English sentiments or feel an anti English atmosphere when you visit Westlands ? I would like to think guests from all over the world ( I have taken American visitors there and made most welcome) let alone England would be welcomed. Westlands is in a Scottish constituency, albeit with a conservative MP and voted overwhelmingly to remain in UK 

Sorry, crossed posts👍

4 minutes ago, Scully said:

It may not be a foregone conclusion at all, but I’ll keep my fingers crossed. 
I like Scotland and I like the Scottish ( but there have also been some very unpleasant occasions too, which wouldn’t have happened if our roles had been reversed ) but they obviously voted this spiteful little gremlin into the office she now holds, so in my opinion it’s time to go. 
We’re 100% in agreement regarding the make up of politicians, whatever the party.

Once again, the majority of Scots voted against the SNP 

[Westley]

Does this mean we may see flotilla's of r.i.b's crossing the Solway then   ?   🤔 

 

[Scully]

9 minutes ago, benbobailey said:

Scully, purely out of curiosity do you find anti English sentiments or feel an anti English atmosphere when you visit Westlands ? I would like to think guests from all over the world ( I have taken American visitors there and made most welcome) let alone England would be welcomed. Westlands is in a Scottish constituency, albeit with a conservative MP and voted overwhelmingly to remain in UK 

Once again, the majority of Scots voted against the SNP 

Oh no, not at all, nothing but a great experience, as has most of my experiences of Scotland and it’s people. 
I worked in East Lothian over many years, in places such as Musselburgh, Stoney Hill, Prestonpans, Gifford, Haddington and Tranent. I’ve holidayed up there with my kids which I wouldn’t have done had the experience not been mostly positive. One of my best friends was from Govan. 
Saying that, there have been quite a few experiences which were very unpleasant and which wouldn’t have happened in my company in England had our roles been reversed. 
There’s no denying that there is a burning resentment or even hatred in sections of the Scottish for the English, based on historical and political indoctrination which has no place in todays society, particularly for those who aren’t even responsible for whatever grievances they have. 
Sturgeon is in power and calling the shots, despite however the people voted. 

[benbobailey]

7 minutes ago, Scully said:

Oh no, not at all, nothing but a great experience, as has most of my experiences of Scotland and it’s people. 
I worked in East Lothian over many years, in places such as Musselburgh, Stoney Hill, Prestonpans, Gifford, Haddington and Tranent. I’ve holidayed up there with my kids which I wouldn’t have done had the experience not been mostly positive. One of my best friends was from Govan. 
Saying that, there have been quite a few experiences which were very unpleasant and which wouldn’t have happened in my company in England had our roles been reversed. 
There’s no denying that there is a burning resentment or even hatred in sections of the Scottish for the English, based on historical and political indoctrination which has no place in todays society, particularly for those who aren’t even responsible for whatever grievances they have. 
Sturgeon is in power and calling the shots, despite however the people voted. 

I'm pleased to hear most of your experiences in Scotland have been pleasant. Pity about the others. I served in the British forces in a Scottish regiment and served worldwide, the majority of bitterness against Scots was from the English surprisingly. ( Apart from service in Ulster, where Scots and English were hated equally by some communities). Any bad feeling towards England is often reciprocal. 

12 minutes ago, Scully said:

Oh no, not at all, nothing but a great experience, as has most of my experiences of Scotland and it’s people. 
I worked in East Lothian over many years, in places such as Musselburgh, Stoney Hill, Prestonpans, Gifford, Haddington and Tranent. I’ve holidayed up there with my kids which I wouldn’t have done had the experience not been mostly positive. One of my best friends was from Govan. 
Saying that, there have been quite a few experiences which were very unpleasant and which wouldn’t have happened in my company in England had our roles been reversed. 
There’s no denying that there is a burning resentment or even hatred in sections of the Scottish for the English, based on historical and political indoctrination which has no place in todays society, particularly for those who aren’t even responsible for whatever grievances they have. 
Sturgeon is in power and calling the shots, despite however the people voted. 

Sturgeon is in power ,yes, and is a very shrewd woman. The bigger the mess she makes she carries on regardless and stronger, thanks to promises of milk and honey . If the unthinkable did occur and Scotland gained independence, we are off to Gibraltar. We had plans in place before the last referendum, and my family won't be relinquishing our British passports for anyone  . regards