Wylye Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 The CPSA have suggested that 24gms loads become standard for competition shooting rather than 28gms. Have a look on their website and the statement from Iain Parker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windswept Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 https://www.cpsa.co.uk/news/general/2022/10/24/lead-statement-from-cpsa-ceo-iain-parker/5861 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 Talking to a Gamebore rep’ at the weekend, he told me all competition loads would be no greater than 24g to cater for ‘fast’ steel loads. Apparently ‘fast’ steel loads puts them into HP territory regardless of shot size. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wylye Posted October 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 32 minutes ago, Windswept said: https://www.cpsa.co.uk/news/general/2022/10/24/lead-statement-from-cpsa-ceo-iain-parker/5861 Thanks for doing that. Haven’t a clue really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HantsRob Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 I find this really interesting: "Our current position for clay shooting allows shooters to use 28g lead cartridges, which has been identified as a risk if allowed to continue through the potential misuse of clay cartridges in game shooting and, in turn, contamination of the food chain. As the national governing body for clay shooting, we would propose to restrict lead loads from 28g to 24g (a 15% reduction) at all clay shooting grounds. This change would mitigate the risk of migration, as 24g is not a viable game load, while also bringing our policy in alignment with that of the ISSF standard cartridge load." That really seems like a statement as risk limitation to try to keep lead as viable for clays. I do believe that many shoots could act like wildfowling with a lifetime ban for anyone using lead, but then when such big cash numbers are involved in game days, if the birds aren't resold for retail it will be impossible to police. Skeet is already 24g, and frankly if the playing field is leveled with 24g limit at clay grounds, we will all get used to that quickly as the lower potential hit rate is the same for everyone (if you're not on it, you're not on it. right?!) Seems a pragmatic early way to secure lead in the clay game possibly, I wouldn't be opposed to it as a viable option. I still think the issue is not 28g potentially being used on game days as home loaders can still do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 Gamebore are busy developing steel loads for clays, whether they have inside information or not I wouldn’t know, but the CPSA restricting trap loads to 24 grm in an attempt to curry favour re’ an exemption, on the pretext game shooters won’t use them for such, is a tad cynical and divisive in my opinion. There are game shooters currently using diminutive .410’s for game. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 “24 gram is not a viable game load” What a load of cobblers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HantsRob Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 So now I know how the game shooters defending BASC feel, now that the situation is flipped with a lens on clay shooting! 😆 I have no gripes btw, just seems many views are either from a clay only lens or bird only lens, just an observation and not picking for a fight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 Cpsa would be better upping it to 32 grams as the clay grounds will have to show it’s reclaimable so it’s going to be more financially viable with a big payload although fair play to the cpsa at least it’s suggested a alternative obviously suggesting that game shooters can’t be trusted at the same time 🙄 4 hours ago, Scully said: Gamebore are busy developing steel loads for clays, whether they have inside information or not I wouldn’t know, but the CPSA restricting trap loads to 24 grm in an attempt to curry favour re’ an exemption, on the pretext game shooters won’t use them for such, is a tad cynical and divisive in my opinion. There are game shooters currently using diminutive .410’s for game. 🤷♂️ 24 grams of steel would just about give you the same pellet count as 28 grams lead maybe that’s another reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 hours ago, London Best said: “24 gram is not a viable game load” What a load of cobblers. Yes I must admit that I find that statement amusing. However lets not forget the anti lead lobby dont seem to know that much about shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, TRINITY said: Yes I must admit that I find that statement amusing. However lets not forget the anti lead lobby dont seem to know that much about shooting. From that statement the CPSA don’t know much about shooting either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 As far as this goes, I have no problem with 24gm. At the moment I have a shoulder injury and I am using 21gm and quite I quite enjoy it and still get the same amount of hits as I did with 28gm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 Gordon Bennett! What a croc of ****! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windswept Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 I've never been one to support banning something just because a few may break the law, we don't ban all cars because some break the speed limit. Surely if there's a genuine reason to ban lead then you need to put resources in place to ensure the ban is upheld? I know plenty of people use clay carts for pigeons but won't they still use cheap 24g carts? What about practical shot gun shooters, you don't want to be shooting steel at steel plates, and many PSG shooters like something along the 30g no. 5... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 12 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Gordon Bennett! What a croc of ****! This, every time we give an inch they take a mile, why at this time should the industry help advance the cause for any lead ban, we should keep quite until the HSE proposal is concluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 12 hours ago, Windswept said: I've never been one to support banning something just because a few may break the law, we don't ban all cars because some break the speed limit. Surely if there's a genuine reason to ban lead then you need to put resources in place to ensure the ban is upheld? I know plenty of people use clay carts for pigeons but won't they still use cheap 24g carts? What about practical shot gun shooters, you don't want to be shooting steel at steel plates, and many PSG shooters like something along the 30g no. 5... There was nothing put in place to ensure compliance regarding the ban of lead shot for wildfowl, so I can’t see how this would be any more enforceable if there are exemptions made for certain disciplines. It’s either toxic and detrimental to health, the environment, flora and fauna, or it isn’t. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, Scully said: It’s either toxic and detrimental to health, the environment, flora and fauna, or it isn’t. 🤷♂️ Well it hasn’t been toxic for 300 years. Perhaps modern lead is more dangerous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 30 minutes ago, London Best said: Well it hasn’t been toxic for 300 years. Perhaps modern lead is more dangerous? But that’s the thing, it IS toxic to a differing degree to certain species. Is it toxic to the environment? Those who have the ears of the bureaucrats claim it is toxic to all things, but they have an agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 17 hours ago, London Best said: “24 gram is not a viable game load” What a load of cobblers. You are dead right! Obviously those of us who shoot 21 or 24gm 28g loads on game never kill anything! as Scully says this is just divisive. Either we shoot lead or we don’t …..across the board. I also spoke to both reps and the simple fact is the focus is on non lead, non plastic loads. From an environmental point of view it’s impossible to argue with. Let’s face it for clay shooting there isn’t even a lethality argument. If the shot knocks a chip off the clay that’s good enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) On 25/10/2022 at 13:09, Scully said: Gamebore are busy developing steel loads for clays, whether they have inside information or not I wouldn’t know, but the CPSA restricting trap loads to 24 grm in an attempt to curry favour re’ an exemption, on the pretext game shooters won’t use them for such, is a tad cynical and divisive in my opinion. There are game shooters currently using diminutive .410’s for game. 🤷♂️ Yes. Indeed 24 gram is in fact the traditional "pygmy" load otherwise known as the "Twentieth Century" cartridge the Two Inch Twelve Bore cartridge and for many years the standard load in a 2 1/2" case 20 bore cartridge. Edited October 26, 2022 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 Why stop at 24 gram? Make it 12 gram -even less chance of game shooters using it. A very weak argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HantsRob Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 10 hours ago, Dave at kelton said: You are dead right! Obviously those of us who shoot 21 or 24gm 28g loads on game never kill anything! as Scully says this is just divisive. Either we shoot lead or we don’t …..across the board. I also spoke to both reps and the simple fact is the focus is on non lead, non plastic loads. From an environmental point of view it’s impossible to argue with. Let’s face it for clay shooting there isn’t even a lethality argument. If the shot knocks a chip off the clay that’s good enough! Can you compare a 24g 28 gauge load against a 24g 12 gauge load in this context, when they are specifically talking 24g 12ga loads? I'm not sure that's particularly fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) A load of shot kills the same irrespective of what gauge it comes from. 56 minutes ago, HantsRob said: Can you compare a 24g 28 gauge load against a 24g 12 gauge load in this context, when they are specifically talking 24g 12ga loads? I'm not sure that's particularly fair. Edited October 26, 2022 by London Best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HantsRob Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, London Best said: A load of shot kills the same irrespective of what gauge it comes from. That's comparing petrol to petrol, as in they both have lead between Ga. But, 12Ga to 20Ga is like comparing a 2 litre car to a 2 litre motorcycle. Both are "the same" as you compared 24g to 24g, but they do handle differently with that load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 1 minute ago, HantsRob said: That's comparing petrol to petrol, as in they both have lead between Ga. But, 12Ga to 20Ga is like comparing a 2 litre car to a 2 litre motorcycle. Both are "the same" as you compared 24g to 24g, but they do handle differently with that load. I’m sorry. I don’t understand. Are you saying a 12 or a 20 will perform differently with a similar load? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.