Net Zero

[Rewulf]

31 minutes ago, oowee said:

And your evidence is? 

I would ask where Dr Risings evidence is first, his rather biased 'projections' are somewhat fanciful at best.
He is by trade , a 'modeller' like covid 'expert' Neil Fergusson.

 

8 minutes ago, oowee said:

We should have learnt the lesson from the economic cost of Brexit.

Which is higher than expected growth and GDP despite covid, and despite the best efforts of the EU to thwart it , Brexit is largely , a success.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1340754/gdp-growth-forecast-europe-by-country/#:~:text=The real gross domestic product,negative growth rates in 2022.

[Scully]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

Yeh of course. Ambition, commitment and consistency is want and all this is the opposite (Ford). Lets export jobs and import energy. Lets poison or city residents, rivers and environment and promote the growth of the erst of teh world. 

We should have learnt the lesson from the economic cost of Brexit. Here is another example of small minded and short term policy. 

Regardless of which side of the debate how can anyone listen to this govt? There is no consistency. 

This is the last time I’ll ask as forum rules don’t allow badgering, but what are you prepared to forego for the sake of the planet? You’re shooting trips abroad to kill things for entertainment? Your boat trips for the same reason of leisure? 
Or will you just stump up the tax levy and carry on regardless? 
Please don’t insult everyone’s intelligence by stating you’ll plant a tree to offset your footprint, because if that worked we’d all be planting trees….which no doubt would incur a government tax. 🙂

Edited September 20, 2023 by Scully

[B725]

As the world's population grows more industry is required to feed and clothe them also house's need to built usually on agriculture land so less area to feed them but where does all the extra energy come from to drive all this. We are stood on countless millions of £s of cheap energy that could be used to provide power and some diverted to fund the green stuff but the eco loons point blank refuse to use it  even if it helps achieve their aim. As others have said it's the poorest people who feel the pain of the enforced tax to pay for it , the wealthy can bump their gums about it but but they will still carry on as they are.

[matone]

49 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

I would ask where Dr Risings evidence is first, his rather biased 'projections' are somewhat fanciful at best.
He is by trade , a 'modeller' like covid 'expert' Neil Fergusson.

 

Which is higher than expected growth and GDP despite covid, and despite the best efforts of the EU to thwart it , Brexit is largely , a success.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1340754/gdp-growth-forecast-europe-by-country/#:~:text=The real gross domestic product,negative growth rates in 2022.

Oo,don`t offer facts and reality ,it doesn`t fit with the wokey fairytale!

[countryman]

Looks like the ban on Petrol and Diesel cars has been put back to where it was before Kerry Johnson changed it.

[Scully]

8 minutes ago, countryman said:

Looks like the ban on Petrol and Diesel cars has been put back to where it was before Kerry Johnson changed it.

It’s a ban on the sale of ‘new’ petrol or diesel vehicles as far as I’m aware, not secondhand, so I doubt it will be anything which will affect me. 

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, Scully said:

so I doubt it will be anything which will affect me.

Ban on 'new' will push up second hand prices - so - yes - it will affect us all.

[johnphilip]

11 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Ban on 'new' will push up second hand prices - so - yes - it will affect us all.

Then you should get more on your part ex .

[Scully]

16 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Ban on 'new' will push up second hand prices - so - yes - it will affect us all.

I meant I won’t be forced to buy electric. 

[old man]

2 hours ago, oowee said:

And your evidence is? 

Some countries lead and some follow. We were leading and gearing up for the role and now we will just be an also ran. 

Sadly, due to acts of gross stupidity such as this we have been a fifth rate country for years. Now also a laughing stock.

The rest of the world will carry on breeding with abandon and using whatever quantities of fossil fuels will promote their economic progress?

We  are beyond idiotic to continue with this gross plunder of our country, all to no actual benefit other than to a very few?

[matone]

Yep,stupidly crippling our country when in reality whatever we do would not make a jot of difference to anything on a World scale.

[12gauge82]

3 hours ago, oowee said:

Dr James Rising, who led the analysis at the University of Delaware, said: 

“We estimate that the mitigation costs involved in the UK’s pathway to net zero by 2050 are unlikely to exceed the equivalent of 2 per cent of GDP over the transition period. Furthermore, climate mitigation policies bring additional benefits, for example by improving health and invigorating of the economy through investment, equivalent to an increase of 6.1 per cent in GDP by the end of this century.”

The researchers found that achieving the UK’s net zero target would provide added benefits to the UK beyond avoided climate impacts that would be equivalent to an increase of 3.3 per cent in GDP. They would also provide a further boost of 2.8 per cent to the UK’s economy by stimulating investment in green industries and infrastructure.

30 May 2022) by the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics and Political Science.

 

The simplest and cheapest way (it would save the UK a fortune) would be to stop illegal migration helping to reduce our population and keep a cap on world numbers. Turn away from globalist policy which has allowed the UK work population to be deskilled and become minimum wage cattle to fund the elites lavish lifestyle and restart uk manufacturing. When the time is right and technology catches up, the world population will naturally stop it's reliance on fossil fuel and turn to greener solutions as they become cheap.

[oowee]

3 minutes ago, matone said:

Yep,stupidly crippling our country when in reality whatever we do would not make a jot of difference to anything on a World scale.

We are one of the richest countries, If we cannot set an example and lead the world then who can? 

The opportunity is there we just have to grasp it. There are many ways that we can reduce bills for households through energy investment that we should have done years ago. We could have reduced energy demand from homes through a leading insulation program that we have failed to do. Rather than give money away for heating upgrades we could provide free upgrades paid for with a levy on homes sold in the future. there are so many things. 

1 minute ago, 12gauge82 said:

The simplest and cheapest way (it would save the UK a fortune) would be to stop illegal migration helping to reduce our population and keep a cap on world numbers. Turn away from globalist policy which has allowed the UK work population to be deskilled and become minimum wage cattle to fund the elites lavish lifestyle and restart uk manufacturing. When the time is right and technology catches up, the world population will naturally stop it's reliance on fossil fuel and turn to greener solutions as they become cheap.

We chose to go alone and become a third country. Surely we have only ourselves to blame. Unfortunately there is a whole world out there where we are loosing our influence and where we are becoming the runt of the litter. 

[Weihrauch17]

2 minutes ago, oowee said:

We are one of the richest countries, If we cannot set an example and lead the world then who can? 

The opportunity is there we just have to grasp it. There are many ways that we can reduce bills for households through energy investment that we should have done years ago. We could have reduced energy demand from homes through a leading insulation program that we have failed to do. Rather than give money away for heating upgrades we could provide free upgrades paid for with a levy on homes sold in the future. there are so many things. 

We chose to go alone and become a third country. Surely we have only ourselves to blame. Unfortunately there is a whole world out there where we are loosing our influence and where we are becoming the runt of the litter. 

We are 2.5 trillion in debt and rising, what are you smoking?

[discobob]

2 minutes ago, oowee said:

a leading insulation program

I used to stay in a hotel with teams that were doing the insulation (we did have one - you must have forgot) and that was bordering on time share selling

Their bosses were driving around in Ferraris - money coming directly from the taxpower to pay for them....

It is all a con. We sit on top of Black Solid Gold (coal) that we won't use - but apparently China is interested in buying coal from Wales

[12gauge82]

10 minutes ago, oowee said:

We are one of the richest countries, If we cannot set an example and lead the world then who can? 

The opportunity is there we just have to grasp it. There are many ways that we can reduce bills for households through energy investment that we should have done years ago. We could have reduced energy demand from homes through a leading insulation program that we have failed to do. Rather than give money away for heating upgrades we could provide free upgrades paid for with a levy on homes sold in the future. there are so many things. 

We chose to go alone and become a third country. Surely we have only ourselves to blame. Unfortunately there is a whole world out there where we are loosing our influence and where we are becoming the runt of the litter. 

What has that got to do with what I've posted, within the context of climate change and green policy?

The fact is, if the west ditches it globalist agenda turning more towards a nationalist model l, it would do wonders for green targets and make the general population far better off.

Funny that the elites don't seem to be selling that view, instead we all need to draw our belts in and pay our way out of the 'climate emergency'.

[oowee]

Just now, 12gauge82 said:

What has that got to do with what I've posted, within the context of climate change and green policy?

The fact is, if the west ditches it globalist agenda turning more towards a nationalist model l, it would do wonders for green targets and make the general population far better off.

Funny that the elites don't seem to be selling that view, instead we all need to draw our belts in and pay our way out of the 'climate emergency'.

Apparently the UK has made the greatest contribution to greenhouse gasses per head of population than any other (start of the industrial revolution). Seems fair then that we should lead the agenda on the way out and take advantage of our technology in doing so. In this way we can be ahead of the curve exactly as we were in developing offshore oil exploration. Unfortunately this announcement is simply a back sliding of commitment. Its not been tested by the climate change committee. Its also one sided in terms of the consumer. If there was a genuine proposal for change you would anticipate a more measured and tested proposal. 

[Scully]

22 minutes ago, oowee said:

We are one of the richest countries, If we cannot set an example and lead the world then who can? 

The opportunity is there we just have to grasp it. There are many ways that we can reduce bills for households through energy investment that we should have done years ago. We could have reduced energy demand from homes through a leading insulation program that we have failed to do. Rather than give money away for heating upgrades we could provide free upgrades paid for with a levy on homes sold in the future. there are so many things. 

We chose to go alone and become a third country. Surely we have only ourselves to blame. Unfortunately there is a whole world out there where we are loosing our influence and where we are becoming the runt of the litter. 

My speciality is insulation. Proper effective insulation is expensive, which is why all housing has to meet a ‘minimum’ required by building regs, and why property developers and companies build to a price. As I’ve said many times…to go seriously green costs serious money. 
Your average punter simply couldn’t afford the necessary insulation required to make a difference, so it doesn’t happen. 
Nor can you retro fit to many many houses the level of insulation to make that difference. 
I can only assume the answer to my questions is ‘nothing’. 
 

Edited September 20, 2023 by Scully

[oowee]

2 minutes ago, Scully said:

My speciality is insulation. Proper effective insulation is expensive, which is why all housing has to meet a ‘minimum’ required by building regs, and why property developers and companies build to a price.
Your average punter simply couldn’t afford the necessary insulation required to make a difference, so it doesn’t happen. 
Nor can you retro fit to many many houses the level of insulation to make that difference. 
I can only assume the answer to my questions is ‘nothing’. 
 

The average punter does not have to meet the cost. A program of support between the energy providers and the govt could be put in place to enable the changes to take place. For example a £20k bill could be met in part by government in part by the industry (green levy) and in part by the householder either in cash or a levy on the house sale. Or some other combination. 

[JohnfromUK]

2 minutes ago, oowee said:

Or some other combination

All of which do (in the end) all ultimately come from "The average punter".

The economic magic of the left; take in in taxes and spend it so that people don't realise it was their money all along.  There is no such thing as a free lunch.

[Scully]

26 minutes ago, oowee said:

The average punter does not have to meet the cost. A program of support between the energy providers and the govt could be put in place to enable the changes to take place. For example a £20k bill could be met in part by government in part by the industry (green levy) and in part by the householder either in cash or a levy on the house sale. Or some other combination. 

Not going to happen; far far too expensive, and ultimately the average punter will end up paying in increased energy costs. 
A levy on the sale of a house is simply another form of tax. 
£20k wouldn’t even get you a beach hut. 
I’m with you; I don’t intend to give up anything either. 👍

[Weihrauch17]

42 minutes ago, oowee said:

The average punter does not have to meet the cost. A program of support between the energy providers and the govt could be put in place to enable the changes to take place. For example a £20k bill could be met in part by government in part by the industry (green levy) and in part by the householder either in cash or a levy on the house sale. Or some other combination. 

You really are insane.  As an aside if we are all going to burn why do we need to compound it with insulation?

Edited September 20, 2023 by Weihrauch17

[Scully]

17 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

You really are insane.  As an aside if we are all going to burn why do we need to compound it with insulation?

Insulation ( expensive insulation ) can prevent your house from heating up too much in hotter weather also. 👍

[B725]

The government doesn't have any money of their own only what's been paid in by taxes, we already have to pay a green levy on our energy bill whether we want to or not, more tax will be the only way housing can be insulated 

[oowee]

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

All of which do (in the end) all ultimately come from "The average punter".

The economic magic of the left; take in in taxes and spend it so that people don't realise it was their money all along.  There is no such thing as a free lunch.

We are already doing this its just more of the same. Householders are sitting on thousands of pounds of property value rises. Taking some of this to save costs in the long run sounds like a good use of resources. We have to start somewhere. What would you propose?