Scully Posted November 10, 2023 Report Share Posted November 10, 2023 I don’t have a great lot to say about this apart from…..if you’re in the market for a new Browning Crown, check that it is proofed for HP steel if it matters to you. A relatives wasn’t, and it’s a lot of cash for a ‘lead only’ shotgun given the way things are heading. His is now proofed for HP steel, thereby proving he needn’t have had it done! 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 hello, interesting post scully, 👍 are you saying the new Browning Crown shotguns are not steel proofed ? if that is so why not ?? £5000 ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 Just now, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, interesting post scully, 👍 are you saying the new Browning Crown shotguns are not steel proofed ? if that is so why not ?? £5000 ?? It’s a good question OPP, and one I can’t answer for all Crowns currently made. My nephews was brand new less than five years ago, and that certainly wasn’t; it came with a bright yellow sticker on the barrel stating ‘lead only’. Hence the heads up. He has since had it HP proofed and Teagued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Scully said: It’s a good question OPP, and one I can’t answer for all Crowns currently made. My nephews was brand new less than five years ago, and that certainly wasn’t; it came with a bright yellow sticker on the barrel stating ‘lead only’. Hence the heads up. He has since had it HP proofed and Teagued. hello, ok thanks to update, if these guns are not steel proof what are Browning thinking off when we all know lead is being phased out, 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 43 minutes ago, Scully said: It’s a good question OPP, and one I can’t answer for all Crowns currently made. My nephews was brand new less than five years ago, and that certainly wasn’t; it came with a bright yellow sticker on the barrel stating ‘lead only’. Hence the heads up. He has since had it HP proofed and Teagued. It’s a older model pre announcement it would have been fixed choke at 1/2 and 1/2 new models are multi chokes with steel proof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 36 minutes ago, Old farrier said: It’s a older model pre announcement it would have been fixed choke at 1/2 and 1/2 new models are multi chokes with steel proof Thanks for the info’. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 19 hours ago, Scully said: I don’t have a great lot to say about this apart from…..if you’re in the market for a new Browning Crown, check that it is proofed for HP steel if it matters to you. A relatives wasn’t, and it’s a lot of cash for a ‘lead only’ shotgun given the way things are heading. His is now proofed for HP steel, thereby proving he needn’t have had it done! 🙂 Your Right Scully I think even the new 2023 models are choked 1/2 1/2 from what I have seen Standard steel would be Fine but near £5grand for new gun you think HP Would come as standard 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 Have just watched a video by Roy Martins Gunshop regarding a review of the Miroku Mk60 High Pheasant gun. These are designed specifically for High Pheasant and built to withstand heavy 36grm ‘LEAD’ loads. They are fixed choke at 3/4 and full and NOT steel shot proofed! These are NEW guns, not proofed for steel! 🤷♂️What’s that all about them? Anyhow, his final advice to anyone who owns one ( after saying at the films start that doing so would detract from the guns true origins ) is to have it Teagued and HP proofed. I’m assuming that Teague have ceased to make chokes any tighter than quarter, as that is what they advise for the tightest constriction through HP steel, and anything tighter than half is soon to be obsolete. Isn’t it? If this is their advice, I have to wonder why they sold my nephew a complete set of all constrictions just last year? They could have simply advised him to just have the barrels opened to quarter and thereby negate the need ( and expense ) for ANY chokes at all. Or am I just being cynical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 12, 2023 Report Share Posted November 12, 2023 Cynical or REALISTIC, Teagues will not stop anyone buying more than they need. And the Steel Proofing and degree of choke arguments will rumble on for EVER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 12, 2023 Report Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: And the Steel Proofing and degree of choke arguments will rumble on for EVER. Just like the choke/no choke argument which has run ever since choke was invented! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted November 12, 2023 Report Share Posted November 12, 2023 I suppose Browning would argue "STEEL is NOT compulsory " there are, albeit expensive, other alternatives to lead ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted November 12, 2023 Report Share Posted November 12, 2023 I have recently bought a mint condition Classic Doubles (Winchester) Trap Pac 12 bore. It has multi choked barrels. As I always use 1/4 & 1/4, I propose to use steel shot through it, IF I am forced to. I do NOT intend to get the gun reproofed for steel shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted November 12, 2023 Report Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) I’ve been thinking of buying what will probably be my last gun due to my age. I find it all a bit of a minefield what with different types of steel and nothing tighter than half choke. What about the tighter choked game guns and the fashionable high pheasant guns, which aren’t cheap. Having said that maybe if you own expensive guns and shoot game on a regular basis, the lead alternatives wouldn’t bother you too much. I have been looking at a Browning 325, to do a little bit of everything with. I am guessing there is a suitable type of steel cartridge that would be safe to use through open chokes. Edited November 12, 2023 by redial Errors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted November 12, 2023 Report Share Posted November 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Westley said: I suppose Browning would argue "STEEL is NOT compulsory " there are, albeit expensive, other alternatives to lead ? Agree westley but if you’re paying near £5 grand for a gun you would think multi chokes would come as standard I’ve put standard steel through 3/4 1/2 at the ducks with no effect on the barrels Years of shooting ducks I’ve never felt the need to use HP steel shot with standard steel doing the job In saying that I only shoot out to 30 yards in the vicinity of the decoys Try ensure clean kills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 12, 2023 Report Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Gerry78 said: you would think multi chokes would come as standard You can usually fit multi chokes to a fixed choke gun. You cannot sensibly convert a multi choke gun to fixed chokes. Some of us would not buy a multi choke gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted November 12, 2023 Report Share Posted November 12, 2023 I recently shot some Bismuth shot cartridges that had been given to me. 30 gram 6's. I was not impressed. I was hitting stuff, which was literally coming down on a 'wing and a prayer'. We were discussing this over lunch and I was asked how old the Bismuth cartridges were. I replied that I didn't know, but suspected it could be old by a price ticket of £14.95 on one of the boxes. I think you can add a nought to that now. Anyway, one of the other guns went to great lengths to explain that the earlier Bismuth shot was too hard and it was passing right through the target, without doing any damage ? I replied, "A bit like steel then" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 12, 2023 Report Share Posted November 12, 2023 I have never had any problems killing with bismuth shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 12, 2023 Report Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 hour ago, London Best said: Some of us would not buy a multi choke gun. Just leave your chosen chokes in and never remove them to clean, and it will soon become a fixed choke gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted November 12, 2023 Report Share Posted November 12, 2023 4 hours ago, Newbie to this said: Just leave your chosen chokes in and never remove them to clean, and it will soon become a fixed choke gun This ☝️☝️☝️☝️ 5 hours ago, London Best said: You can usually fit multi chokes to a fixed choke gun. You cannot sensibly convert a multi choke gun to fixed chokes. Some of us would not buy a multi choke gun. You might have too when the lead shot ban comes In Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 12, 2023 Report Share Posted November 12, 2023 54 minutes ago, Gerry78 said: This ☝️☝️☝️☝️ You might have too when the lead shot ban comes In You guys are missing my point. I wouldn’t have a multi choke gun as a gift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenman Posted November 12, 2023 Report Share Posted November 12, 2023 7 hours ago, Westley said: I recently shot some Bismuth shot cartridges that had been given to me. 30 gram 6's. I was not impressed. I was hitting stuff, which was literally coming down on a 'wing and a prayer'. We were discussing this over lunch and I was asked how old the Bismuth cartridges were. I replied that I didn't know, but suspected it could be old by a price ticket of £14.95 on one of the boxes. I think you can add a nought to that now. Anyway, one of the other guns went to great lengths to explain that the earlier Bismuth shot was too hard and it was passing right through the target, without doing any damage ? I replied, "A bit like steel then" ? I think the early bismuth was prone to breaking up upon firing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted November 12, 2023 Report Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, London Best said: You guys are missing my point. I wouldn’t have a multi choke gun as a gift. Why ? I think it would vastly improve the lines of your nice English gun with a pair of Teague or Briley extended chokes fitted ! Edited November 12, 2023 by Westley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 23 hours ago, London Best said: You cannot (sensibly) convert a multi choke gun to fixed chokes. Actually - you can - and I have one such (not done in my ownership). I understand that a previous owner who was 'fussy' about his chokes decided he wanted rather more choke and had it fitted with permanent chokes to a type he 'always used'. I was puzzled and had my gunsmith check - and it has been properly done, re-proofed etc. It is now about 3/8 and 5/8 choke (based on measured constriction). I don't know what it was originally, but maybe IC and 1/4? I have met others who aren't comfortable shooting a gun unless the choke is x/8. No idea what it cost, but I assume similar to multi choke addition with one set of tubes. On the steel topic, I have not patterned one with steel (yet) myself but my understanding is that they pattern much more densely than lead, such that a 1/2 choke (boring for lead) will give around full choke pattern (i.e. around 70%) with a steel cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) On 12/11/2023 at 10:18, redial said: I’ve been thinking of buying what will probably be my last gun due to my age. I find it all a bit of a minefield what with different types of steel and nothing tighter than half choke. What about the tighter choked game guns and the fashionable high pheasant guns, which aren’t cheap. Having said that maybe if you own expensive guns and shoot game on a regular basis, the lead alternatives wouldn’t bother you too much. I have been looking at a Browning 325, to do a little bit of everything with. I am guessing there is a suitable type of steel cartridge that would be safe to use through open chokes. hello, as long as it is not high velocity steel cartridges then normal steel would be ok , there are plenty of second hand shotguns for sale at good prices , the 325 would be a good choice, Edited November 13, 2023 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, as long as it is not high velocity steel cartridges then normal steel would be ok , there are plenty of second hand shotguns for sale at good prices , the 325 would be a good choice, Indeed. The 325 is a cracking gun; owned one for quite a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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