Zero tolerance

[Gordon R]

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And that’s not me being racist, there is only so many people we can take on our little island and we passed that a long time ago 🤷🏻‍♂️

When we passed 6 million illegals, no-one batted an eyelid. We were full up many millions ago. 10 hour wait at local A and E.

[oowee]

18 minutes ago, Humblepie said:

Yeah because thats a source of absolute truth without any far left wing spin put on it! Not wasted my time reading it but will take a guess at “ An official source said” or “a spokesman said” or “our source said” without naming them…..which means no one said anything so we just made it up.

So to be clear, “our tory leaders are happy to break the law” As far as I am aware, there is no judgement yet which means at this time nobody has broken any law. It’s an accusation only. If the accusations are proven, then fair enough.

From what I have read elsewhere this case brought forward by Asylum Aid is regarding an Albanian national. Again last time I looked, Albania was not a war torn Country. They are a democratic state, albeit a weak one, so why are we harbouring Albanian nationals as “asylum seekers” just because their own government cannot/will not/don’t want to sort out the crime gangs that operate there? Is it the role of the UK Government to sort out Albania’s internal problems?

We waste millions of pounds a day housing, feeding and giving out tax payers money to mostly men of fighting age. They arrive with no id, mobile phones, designer clothes and full of hate for the uk. They are then supported by left wing lawyers and left wing sympathisers (a fair amount of which work as civil servants) who try to stop our government dealing with them.

If this cowardly government and god forbid Labour had the best interest of British people at heart, they would quite quickly put a stop to this ridiculous situation. We have a navy that could be deployed to protect our waters like other nations have done, that have a backbone. Round up the illegal immigrants and deport them. The alternative, which is already happening, does not bear thinking about.

Just for balance, I am not against refugees and I do believe that our country should do its bit to help those people that are seeking a safe haven.

 

 

 

As you say we await the verdict.

[12gauge82]

33 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

When we passed 6 million illegals, no-one batted an eyelid. We were full up many millions ago. 10 hour wait at local A and E.

Because our political class are petrified of their image being damaged. 

A media with a clear bias

And a public too afraid to speak out, I do believe that is about to change, people have had enough.

[fern01]

On 01/12/2023 at 17:44, oowee said:

Our Tory leaders are happy to break the law to stifle infighting amongst their own extremist politicians to take the time to put in place sensible policy. 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/01/patel-and-braverman-accused-of-denying-trafficking-victims-leave-to-remain-in-uk

I am right of centre, does that make me an extremist?

[oowee]

9 hours ago, fern01 said:

I am right of centre, does that make me an extremist?

These things are all relative don't you think? If I was on the right the centre would be extreme. 

[12gauge82]

5 hours ago, oowee said:

These things are all relative don't you think? If I was on the right the centre would be extreme. 

Not really, sometimes it's obvious.

Whatever your views are, if your honest it's fair to say the bnp are extreme right, cons are centralist with both left and right MP's, Labour is left, the bbc is left, the express is right, the guardian is left.

Its not hard.

[oowee]

49 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Not really, sometimes it's obvious.

Whatever your views are, if your honest it's fair to say the bnp are extreme right, cons are centralist with both left and right MP's, Labour is left, the bbc is left, the express is right, the guardian is left.

Its not hard.

I don't equate educated and reasoned argument with left. I would put the Guardian in the middle, the BBC as neutral. Some cons in the middle with some labour mp's. The express is just .......... something that should be put in a poo bag. 

I do think that the broader your interactions and experience in the world the more understanding you are likely to be of the frailties of humanity. If  experience is skewed or limited then a position on a political scale will reflect that. We are all born equal. 

[12gauge82]

4 hours ago, oowee said:

I don't equate educated and reasoned argument with left. I would put the Guardian in the middle, the BBC as neutral. Some cons in the middle with some labour mp's. The express is just .......... something that should be put in a poo bag. 

I do think that the broader your interactions and experience in the world the more understanding you are likely to be of the frailties of humanity. If  experience is skewed or limited then a position on a political scale will reflect that. We are all born equal. 

The guardian in the middle, so what major paper is left of that 🤣

Here's an article stating the Guardian is left leaning, written by the guardian itself https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/10/media-bias-is-ok-if-its-honest 🤣

My favourite paragraph from the article "The Guardian, for example, is an explicitly left-leaning paper and everybody knows it"

Everyone except for oowee it would seem 😂🤣🤣😭

Edited December 3, 2023 by 12gauge82

[old man]

On 02/12/2023 at 20:04, 12gauge82 said:

Because our political class are petrified of their image being damaged. 

A media with a clear bias

And a public too afraid to speak out, I do believe that is about to change, people have had enough.

I really don't know why they are worried about their images? It's impossible to get any lower than the laughing stock they are seen as by the rest of the world? 

[12gauge82]

4 minutes ago, old man said:

I really don't know why they are worried about their images? It's impossible to get any lower than the laughing stock they are seen as by the rest of the world? 

You've got to remember, it's not their image as judged by the average person, it is judged against the woke agenda by their potential future employers and the wider establishment, they wouldn't want to miss out on a peerage, or place in the house of Lords.

[oowee]

3 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

The guardian in the middle, so what major paper is left of that 🤣

Here's an article stating the Guardian is left leaning, written by the guardian itself https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/10/media-bias-is-ok-if-its-honest 🤣

My favourite paragraph from the article "The Guardian, for example, is an explicitly left-leaning paper and everybody knows it"

Everyone except for oowee it would seem 😂🤣🤣😭

Its certainly to the left of newspapers. That said it I think it reflects reflects the middle of educated Britain. To me phrases like 'woke' (educated, worldly and tolerant) re-affirm its position. Many confess to being tolerant (i have black friends, my best mate is gay, i dont have an issue with genuine asylum seekers etc) and the Guardian simply extrapolates and follows through the reality of this. If you follow the arguments it espouses it's not so easy to refute, without taking issue with the underlying justice of freedom, fair play and innocent until proven otherwise. 

Unlike much right wing media that simply plays to the audience, building pyramids of proof on the back of magnified evidence.  

A case in point is the coverage of the war in Palestine prosecuted by the IDF. The BBC is referring to Hamas as an organisation that 'the UK govt has designated a terrorist organisation', rather than referring to Hamas as a terrorist organisation. What the BBC says in this regard is patently true but at the same time they are refusing to pick a side in the argument. Much of the Guardian commentary follows the same principle. 

 

[12gauge82]

20 minutes ago, oowee said:

Its certainly to the left of newspapers. That said it I think it reflects reflects the middle of educated Britain. To me phrases like 'woke' (educated, worldly and tolerant) re-affirm its position. Many confess to being tolerant (i have black friends, my best mate is gay, i dont have an issue with genuine asylum seekers etc) and the Guardian simply extrapolates and follows through the reality of this. If you follow the arguments it espouses it's not so easy to refute, without taking issue with the underlying justice of freedom, fair play and innocent until proven otherwise. 

Unlike much right wing media that simply plays to the audience, building pyramids of proof on the back of magnified evidence.  

A case in point is the coverage of the war in Palestine prosecuted by the IDF. The BBC is referring to Hamas as an organisation that 'the UK govt has designated a terrorist organisation', rather than referring to Hamas as a terrorist organisation. What the BBC says in this regard is patently true but at the same time they are refusing to pick a side in the argument. Much of the Guardian commentary follows the same principle. 

 

I believe education has nothing to do with it, all the points around tolerance are probably just as prevalent in the working class as those with higher education. This country really doesn't have a problem with discrimination of any group, certain publications seem to thrive on claiming there is one and making issues of irrelevant things such as the colour of peoples skin, that's what I'd call woke.

As for left and right politics, I believe it's all a distraction from dealing with real issues that would make peoples lives better.

[oowee]

10 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

 

As for left and right politics, I believe it's all a distraction from dealing with real issues that would make peoples lives better.

I would agree. lets get on with the real world. Where is our economy, why are we falling so far behind Europe. Why are we so relatively poor compared to our neighbours. Why are we focused on irrelevant topics rather than the mainstream issues of poverty, education and health? 

[fern01]

8 hours ago, oowee said:

I don't equate educated and reasoned argument with left. I would put the Guardian in the middle, the BBC as neutral. Some cons in the middle with some labour mp's. The express is just .......... something that should be put in a poo bag. 

I do think that the broader your interactions and experience in the world the more understanding you are likely to be of the frailties of humanity. If  experience is skewed or limited then a position on a political scale will reflect that. We are all born equal. 

It is a form of arrogant intolerance to sneer at the paper a person reads.

What are your views on Mail, Mirror and Sun readers

I sometimes wonder if you really are a field sports person

 

[shaun4860]

8 hours ago, oowee said:

the BBC as neutral. 

🤦🏻‍♂️ really……

[Good shot?]

I find that you don't have to be "educated" to have common sense but you can be "educated" and it would appear, have none.

 

[oowee]

6 hours ago, fern01 said:

It is a form of arrogant intolerance to sneer at the paper a person reads.

What are your views on Mail, Mirror and Sun readers

I sometimes wonder if you really are a field sports person

 

No sneering involved, it takes all sorts.

Wasting their money.

How do you get to that 🤣

 

[London Best]

I have never bought a newspaper in my life. 
They are all a waste of money.

[oldypigeonpopper]

hello, well what ever the argument if nothing is done soon the UK will be swamped with illegal immigrants if we are not already, not including the 250,000 foreign nationals coming to uk every year, if i were young again i would seriously look at emigrating,

[Penelope]

On 03/12/2023 at 00:13, fern01 said:

I am right of centre, does that make me an extremist?

No, that now makes you a genocidal NAZI, haven't you been keeping up with events.

[Rewulf]

14 hours ago, oowee said:

I would agree. lets get on with the real world.

The 'real' world is what people perceive it to be, if a man or women who works in a factory on minimum wage, cant get a doctors appointment or dentist, their children are in overcrowded classrooms because the local authority has spent all its money on housing migrants and interpreters, while giving them the first choice of available social housing, while at the same time leaving homeless to sleep in doorways, and letting the roads crumble away to something resembling the surface of the moon, then they may , unsurprisingly feel that something isnt quite right, and the SJWs at the Guardian spouting their left wing rhetoric isnt going to help these poor 'uneducated' people.

All it does is make them pick a side.

14 hours ago, oowee said:

Where is our economy, why are we falling so far behind Europe.

We arent falling behind Europe.
The left try to keep painting this picture of the UK being the sick man, its not remotely accurate.

We are still a strong nation, maybe not as good as some , but compare us to 80 % of Europe, we are still strong economically.

14 hours ago, oowee said:

Why are we so relatively poor compared to our neighbours.

We arent, show some stats that show this in any way shape or form.

14 hours ago, oowee said:

Why are we focused on irrelevant topics rather than the mainstream issues of poverty, education and health? 

Perhaps because we feel that the issue of migration directly affect these important things.
Or are we just imagining that they do , and the fact that 700,000+ migrants every year has no effect whatsoever on them ?

[12gauge82]

40 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

The 'real' world is what people perceive it to be, if a man or women who works in a factory on minimum wage, cant get a doctors appointment or dentist, their children are in overcrowded classrooms because the local authority has spent all its money on housing migrants and interpreters, while giving them the first choice of available social housing, while at the same time leaving homeless to sleep in doorways, and letting the roads crumble away to something resembling the surface of the moon, then they may , unsurprisingly feel that something isnt quite right, and the SJWs at the Guardian spouting their left wing rhetoric isnt going to help these poor 'uneducated' people.

All it does is make them pick a side.

We arent falling behind Europe.
The left try to keep painting this picture of the UK being the sick man, its not remotely accurate.

We are still a strong nation, maybe not as good as some , but compare us to 80 % of Europe, we are still strong economically.

We arent, show some stats that show this in any way shape or form.

Perhaps because we feel that the issue of migration directly affect these important things.
Or are we just imagining that they do , and the fact that 700,000+ migrants every year has no effect whatsoever on them ?

All good points and ones you don't need a degree to see they are problems.

[old man]

7 hours ago, London Best said:

I have never bought a newspaper in my life. 
They are all a waste of money.

My Mum used to 60 years ago, they all ended up in the outdoor Khazi where they fulfilled their true purpose? 😆

[oowee]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

The 'real' world is what people perceive it to be, if a man or women who works in a factory on minimum wage, cant get a doctors appointment or dentist, their children are in overcrowded classrooms because the local authority has spent all its money on housing migrants and interpreters, while giving them the first choice of available social housing, while at the same time leaving homeless to sleep in doorways, and letting the roads crumble away to something resembling the surface of the moon, then they may , unsurprisingly feel that something isnt quite right, and the SJWs at the Guardian spouting their left wing rhetoric isnt going to help these poor 'uneducated' people.

All it does is make them pick a side.

We arent falling behind Europe.
The left try to keep painting this picture of the UK being the sick man, its not remotely accurate.

We are still a strong nation, maybe not as good as some , but compare us to 80 % of Europe, we are still strong economically.

We arent, show some stats that show this in any way shape or form.

Perhaps because we feel that the issue of migration directly affect these important things.
Or are we just imagining that they do , and the fact that 700,000+ migrants every year has no effect whatsoever on them ?

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2023/nov/27/uk-spends-more-financing-inequality-in-favour-of-rich-than-rest-of-europe-report-finds

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/25/in-britain-the-rich-are-richer-but-the-poor-far-poorer-than-in-europe

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0143622815000351

In Summary-

Typical of ageing democracies our rich are getting richer our poor poorer. Our poor are 20% behind their euro counterparts. The poor cannoy get a doctors appointment or health treatment, or housing because the resources are kept in the grasping hands of the rich. We need a fundamental shift in the distribution of wealth. Don't bring out carp about migrants taking up the slack. It's simply that our society benefits the richest 1 % at the expense of the rest. 😁

[Yellow Bear]

5 minutes ago, oowee said:

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2023/nov/27/uk-spends-more-financing-inequality-in-favour-of-rich-than-rest-of-europe-report-finds

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/25/in-britain-the-rich-are-richer-but-the-poor-far-poorer-than-in-europe

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0143622815000351

In Summary-

Typical of ageing democracies our rich are getting richer our poor poorer. Our poor are 20% behind their euro counterparts. The poor cannoy get a doctors appointment or health treatment, or housing because the resources are kept in the grasping hands of the rich. We need a fundamental shift in the distribution of wealth. Don't bring out carp about migrants taking up the slack. It's simply that our society benefits the richest 1 % at the expense of the rest. 😁

Two questions that all socialists fail to answer definitively:

What income above which defines rich?

What income below which defines poor?

I don't really expect a sensible answer without the usual bovine excrement but thought I would ask anyway.