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On 02/01/2024 at 19:19, Weihrauch17 said:

They are Apprentices that cost the Taxpayer a fortune to train £250 - £270k.  When qualified then the money flows, they want 35% and are absolutely taking the proverbial.  A good number take their Taxpayer funded training abroad also.  They are disgusting in their attitude.

Maybe they have just followed the way of our political masters?

Do as little as possible for the most dosh?

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1 minute ago, Vince Green said:

To her it was clearly politically motivated. She didn't appear to care who died

One of the junior doctors 'leaders' is one "Rob Laurenson" - who (in my view anyway) has a particularly uncaring, arrogant and cocky attitude.  Seeing him on TV makes you want to throw something at it ..........

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On 10/01/2024 at 09:49, JohnfromUK said:

One of the junior doctors 'leaders' is one "Rob Laurenson" - who (in my view anyway) has a particularly uncaring, arrogant and cocky attitude.  Seeing him on TV makes you want to throw something at it ..........

He doesn't even work as a doctor full time. He runs an investment company called Westholme Investments

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On 10/01/2024 at 09:44, Vince Green said:

 She didn't appear to care who died

To be fair, they are a work force like any other, you can’t emotionally black mail them with “if you don’t come to work people will die”. 
 

Thats a real low way to negotiate with a workforce, emotional blackmail. 
 

Despite that it’s been done for years in the health and care sector, people told if they don’t accept poor deals it will harm patients and service users if they strike, that manipulation has been going on for years, and in the past staff have buckled to it. 
 

They’ve not pushed that line too far and staff clearly can’t take it anymore. 

55 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

He doesn't even work as a doctor full time. He runs an investment company called Westholme Investments

Also to this, many on this very thread have said if they don’t like the terms and conditions of being Doctors, then they should leave and do something else. 

This person has made steps to do that, clearly working as a Doctor alone wasn’t cutting it, and they’re better off working part time and spending the rest of their time with this investment company. 
 

It seems they can’t win and will get slated no matter what. 

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3 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said:

To be fair, they are a work force like any other, you can’t emotionally black mail them with “if you don’t come to work people will die”. 
 

Thats a real low way to negotiate with a workforce, emotional blackmail. 
 

Despite that it’s been done for years in the health and care sector, people told if they don’t accept poor deals it will harm patients and service users if they strike, that manipulation has been going on for years, and in the past staff have buckled to it. 
 

They’ve not pushed that line too far and staff clearly can’t take it anymore. 

Also to this, many on this very thread have said if they don’t like the terms and conditions of being Doctors, then they should leave and do something else. 

This person has made steps to do that, clearly working as a Doctor alone wasn’t cutting it, and they’re better off working part time and spending the rest of their time with this investment company. 
 

It seems they can’t win and will get slated no matter what. 

Yes but he has pleaded poverty, stated that he struggles to pay his bills and it turned out he is worth millions. I think he is in it for the ego boost he gets from being in the limelight. A lot of these self appointed spokespersons are narcissistic 

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6 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Yes but he has pleaded poverty, stated that he struggles to pay his bills and it turned out he is worth millions. I think he is in it for the ego boost he gets from being in the limelight. A lot of these self appointed spokespersons are narcissistic 


Fair criticism, I will try and look up what he said. 
 

 

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10 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Yes but he has pleaded poverty, stated that he struggles to pay his bills

Mind you, the shadow chancellor, Rachel Reeves has been complaining that her salary leaves her 'short' towards the end of the month .......... despite her and her husband (a civil servant on over £170K) earning near £1/4M between them and having expenses, subsidised food and usual parliamentary freebies like travel.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12931891/labour-rachel-reeves-bank-balance-gb-news.html

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1 minute ago, JohnfromUK said:

Mind you, the shadow chancellor, Rachel Reeves has been complaining that her salary leaves her 'short' towards the end of the month .......... despite her and her husband (a civil servant on over £170K) earning near £1/4M between them and having expenses, subsidised food and usual parliamentary freebies like travel.

Perhaps she should go looking for a better paid job.

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Average UK worker salary is currently estimated at £38,000. 
 

Take home pay each month - £2530.92. 
Without accounting for pension etc. 

 

Rachel Reeves salary of £86,000. With the MP pension contributions, 

take home pay - £4402.08. 
 

£1,871 ish a month more than the ‘average worker’. It’s plenty of money to live comfortably but if you’ve taken a mortgage out years ago, and your mortgage has gone up 4-5-% points, your utilities have gone from less than £100 a month to several hundred, your weekly shop has gone up multiple times over. 
 

She is in a similar position to lots of other people. I believe her comments were more around her ‘noticing the impact’ of the cost of living crisis, things costing a lot more and less left over every month. 
 

People (Reeves included it seems) made big life decisions on things like house costs/mortgage, whether to send their kids to private school, etc etc, based on what they could afford at the time. 
 

Artificially low interest rates have led to people stretching themselves and they are now heavily impacted that rates have gone back up. 
 

On Martin Lewis last week loads of people were demanding that “rates must go back down” and he quite rightly said publicly, rates have always been around what they are now and people have been very silly to think they’d stay that low forever. 
 

I don’t think Reeves noticing the impact of rises makes her out as something to go mad about. Simply making the comments was foolish though as the media are out to slate anyone they can for a quick headline and it’s played right into their hands. 
 

With her husbands massive wage and ability to claim expenses she is hugely insulated against issues the everyday public face, very foolish to think she’d been seen as “one us us” and get some support for those comments. 

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18 hours ago, Lloyd90 said:

With her husbands massive wage and ability to claim expenses she is hugely insulated against issues the everyday public face, very foolish to think she’d been seen as “one us us” and get some support for those comments. 

She was VERY foolish indeed.

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19 hours ago, Lloyd90 said:

Average UK worker salary is currently estimated at £38,000. 
 

Take home pay each month - £2530.92. 
Without accounting for pension etc. 

 

Rachel Reeves salary of £86,000. With the MP pension contributions, 

take home pay - £4402.08. 
 

£1,871 ish a month more than the ‘average worker’. It’s plenty of money to live comfortably but if you’ve taken a mortgage out years ago, and your mortgage has gone up 4-5-% points, your utilities have gone from less than £100 a month to several hundred, your weekly shop has gone up multiple times over. 
 

She is in a similar position to lots of other people. I believe her comments were more around her ‘noticing the impact’ of the cost of living crisis, things costing a lot more and less left over every month. 
 

People (Reeves included it seems) made big life decisions on things like house costs/mortgage, whether to send their kids to private school, etc etc, based on what they could afford at the time. 
 

Artificially low interest rates have led to people stretching themselves and they are now heavily impacted that rates have gone back up. 
 

On Martin Lewis last week loads of people were demanding that “rates must go back down” and he quite rightly said publicly, rates have always been around what they are now and people have been very silly to think they’d stay that low forever. 
 

I don’t think Reeves noticing the impact of rises makes her out as something to go mad about. Simply making the comments was foolish though as the media are out to slate anyone they can for a quick headline and it’s played right into their hands. 
 

With her husbands massive wage and ability to claim expenses she is hugely insulated against issues the everyday public face, very foolish to think she’d been seen as “one us us” and get some support for those comments. 

She can't manage her own personal finances, yet her and labour think we should trust her with the UK's finances.

Unless of course she was lying and her finances are in good shape, which raises a different flaw in her ability to be trusted.

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48 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

She can't manage her own personal finances, yet her and labour think we should trust her with the UK's finances.

Unless of course she was lying and her finances are in good shape, which raises a different flaw in her ability to be trusted.

In a nutshell.

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20 hours ago, Lloyd90 said:

and ability to claim expenses

For 2022 - 23 she claimed;

  • Accomodation - £17,626.99
  • Dependant travel £174.24
  • MP Travel £3,904.76
  • Office costs £23,357.33
  • Staff travel £2,816.00
  • Staffing £218,568.05

So a total of £266,447.37 - not an inconsiderable sum of taxpayer's money.

Source https://www.theipsa.org.uk/mp-staffing-business-costs/your-mp/rachel-reeves/4031

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3 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

For 2022 - 23 she claimed;

  • Accomodation - £17,626.99
  • Dependant travel £174.24
  • MP Travel £3,904.76
  • Office costs £23,357.33
  • Staff travel £2,816.00
  • Staffing £218,568.05

So a total of £266,447.37 - not an inconsiderable sum of taxpayer's money.

Source https://www.theipsa.org.uk/mp-staffing-business-costs/your-mp/rachel-reeves/4031

Worth an Oink or two maybe? 🤔 

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