JKD Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 1 hour ago, ditchman said: all part of a cunning plan eh ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 The big question is what happens next, from both sides. Hezbollah and the Iranians have been humiliated and the terrorist operatives must be cacking it wondering what else Mossad have up their sleeves. If they are unable to communicate effectively then they are more or less crippled. Fair play to Mossad I say, the loss of further innocent lives is unfortunate but collateral damage is sadly unavoidable. On the wider scale though, this conflict remains unwinnable for both sides. Even if Israel wiped Iran off the face of the earth, another state or states would step up in their place. The state of Israel is “never” going to afford Palestinians with anything remotely close to equal rights to Israeli Jews. So the violence and senseless killing will continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: The big question is what happens next, from both sides. Hezbollah and the Iranians have been humiliated and the terrorist operatives must be cacking it wondering what else Mossad have up their sleeves. If they are unable to communicate effectively then they are more or less crippled. Fair play to Mossad I say, the loss of further innocent lives is unfortunate but collateral damage is sadly unavoidable. On the wider scale though, this conflict remains unwinnable for both sides. Even if Israel wiped Iran off the face of the earth, another state or states would step up in their place. The state of Israel is “never” going to afford Palestinians with anything remotely close to equal rights to Israeli Jews. So the violence and senseless killing will continue. Agreed. Rumour was Hezbollah got wind and were going to bin the pagers off and so it was ‘use it or lose it’. You can see the long term sleeper plan - have the pagers in place, and in the event of a serious military escalation with Hezbollah, take out their entire communications infrastructure and injure half their force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 reports are coming in via Reuters that goats are now exploding... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 More rockets fired towards Israel overnight. I wonder what will go bang next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 From AOL News "The backdrop to the blasts is the simmering cross-border conflict on Israel’s northern border, between Israel and the Iran-backed Hezbollah group, since the 7 October attacks last year. “You’ve got this tit for tat that’s been ongoing – and deepening, if anything,” says Guardian’s defence and security editor Dan Sabbagh. He adds that 60,000 people have been displaced from the border region on the Israeli side, and about 75,000 within Lebanon, as rocket attacks have taken place in both directions. Targeting Hezbollah directly is not new: Benjamin Netanyahu’s government claimed to have killed a Hezbollah leader in an airstrike on Beirut in July, for example. But the widespread and indiscriminate nature of Tuesday’s blasts represented a significant escalation." It was NOT indiscriminate, it was targeted at the members of Hezbollah who kept in touch with their leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 8 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: From AOL News "The backdrop to the blasts is the simmering cross-border conflict on Israel’s northern border, between Israel and the Iran-backed Hezbollah group, since the 7 October attacks last year. “You’ve got this tit for tat that’s been ongoing – and deepening, if anything,” says Guardian’s defence and security editor Dan Sabbagh. He adds that 60,000 people have been displaced from the border region on the Israeli side, and about 75,000 within Lebanon, as rocket attacks have taken place in both directions. Targeting Hezbollah directly is not new: Benjamin Netanyahu’s government claimed to have killed a Hezbollah leader in an airstrike on Beirut in July, for example. But the widespread and indiscriminate nature of Tuesday’s blasts represented a significant escalation." It was NOT indiscriminate, it was targeted at the members of Hezbollah who kept in touch with their leadership. It is from the Guardian, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 1 minute ago, Penelope said: It is from the Guardian, though. Fair point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 From SKY News; "on Wednesday, the Lebanese health minister Firass Abiad told us where he saw the blame. "This is an act of aggression against non-combatants... you know, community people," he said. "Even if some of them [victims] are combatants, this is a non-discriminatory attack....and the use of this non-discriminatory force or attacks which, will clearly affect civilians, is in my mind against international law." You CAN'T have it both ways, surely if you are a Hezbollah supporter on their contact list, you are a fair target Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said: On the wider scale though, this conflict remains unwinnable for both sides. Even if Israel wiped Iran off the face of the earth, another state or states would step up in their place. Iran is the only State player causing trouble across the world - not just for Israel. Just before 7 Oct., Saudi and others were going to sign long-term recognition and cooperation deals with Israel. That was delayed by the Iranian-instigated attack. Changing the regime in Iran solves a lot of problems, including stopping war supplies to Russia and oil smuggling to China. In purely strategic terms, why the Yanks don’t see this as a better fight - hiding behind Israel - than taking on China in the Pacific and Russia via Ukraine, is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 3 minutes ago, Flashman said: n purely strategic terms, why the Yanks don’t see this as a better fight You have seen who the president is, right? Or the brains trust cackling Kamy who is scheduled to replace him (if only they could get a competent sniper). Both of them and their handlers are completely incapable of strategic thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 1 hour ago, Mungler said: Agreed. Rumour was Hezbollah got wind and were going to bin the pagers off and so it was ‘use it or lose it’. You can see the long term sleeper plan - have the pagers in place, and in the event of a serious military escalation with Hezbollah, take out their entire communications infrastructure and injure half their force. Yes, I read the same on the dilemma of use it or lose it. What is unclear is who made the call to use, it’s suggested it came from the top and in contradiction to or at least out of the hands of the Defence Minister. As always, choices have consequences and it will be interesting to see what the next moves are. Iran don’t appear to seek the escalation path that many predicted was imminent, whether or not the latest developments change that will become clearer shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 I suspect Iran doesn't manufacture it's own electrical goods. They might be wary about what electrical goods have been imported over the last few years and if they escalate - these might go BANG. At the moment it's just pagers, walkie talkies / solar panels? The whole country might be mined - power tools, TVs, washers, fridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 There’s video footage of a hospital scene post the pager detonations floating round the internet. It’s gruesome stuff but of the 20 injured people shown, they are all male and of military fighting age - there’s no women or children in the group. Yes it’s just a clip doing the rounds and not the whole picture but it’s ‘as is’ on the ground raw footage and not been through any media or PR agency and from what I saw the targeting has been incredibly accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 It really does read like something from a spy or Sc-Fi book. But why am I not surprised that a few ( the usual suspects) on here are feeling sorry for those with the pagers. When the enemy doesn't follow any rules or care who gets hurt, then you can't deal with them in a gentleman like way. It won't solve anything but it will certainly slow down the terrorists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 what "surprised" me is when these pagers were going off and the people falling to the ground rolling in agony and sobbing away....everybody was just standing there looking at them ..and then wandered off...........obviously the ordinary folk there dont give 2 hoots for the local embedded Hezbolla operators in their midst....... Mossad have named this action as "operation Betty Swallocks"...so i am told.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 Hello, After this i cannot see any Hostages being repatriated back to Israel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pork chop Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 3 hours ago, ditchman said: reports are coming in via Reuters that goats are now exploding... 😂I wonder how these were activated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 18 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, After this i cannot see any Hostages being repatriated back to Israel And how was the progress of repatriation prior? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 4 minutes ago, pork chop said: 😂I wonder how these were activated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 7 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pork chop Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 22 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: lol I’d forgot about this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: TOTALLY BRILLIANT DAVE.....Hhhhahhahahhahahhahahhhhhhaaaaa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 (edited) Well, we are approaching that hour again, I wonder what will go bang today? Edited September 19 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 Apparently the Lebanese Army is destroying loads of suspect electronic devices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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