BUCKSHOT1 Posted October 21 Report Share Posted October 21 I run a driven pheasant shoot I have a BASC game keeper insurance. Bad start to shoot Lack of numbers due to weather conditions and nature feed .Members money all spent on birds feed rent , few guns asking for money back how do I stand with all money spent on shoot .And would BASC insurance help in any way . Very worried any help please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted October 21 Report Share Posted October 21 It depends on what you sold the guns IMHO. Was it a certain number of days shooting with no guarantee of the bag? Or was it a certain number of days shooting with "a minimum bag of eighty" (or whatever)? If the former then let them have that number of days shooting. If the latter then I don't know. It may be that a guaranteed number is enforceable under the contract. I'd seek advice as the contract is quite clear that the number of birds shot has been offered and the guns have paid the money so making the acceptance of the offer and creating a contract. In which case the guns could demand that you fulfil the contract even if it means you having to buy them a day at a venue that can fulfill the bag agreed. I'd be asking how many birds were put down and was any bag size agreed. If say you've put but a thousand birds down and agree six days of one hundred and fifty birds each you have been imprudent. As IMHO to provide that amount of shooting you'd have needed to have put down two and a half thousand birds. On the basis that only 40% of what are put down end up in the bag. So that's my take. Did you promise a certain number of days with no bag guarantee? In which case run those days and you've fulfilled the contract. Or did you promise a certain number of days each day with a guaranteed bag? And if this last were the number of birds you put down realistic or not? There's the issue to start the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted October 21 Report Share Posted October 21 Are you running this as a commercial/profit making enterprise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 21 Report Share Posted October 21 (edited) Did you take out any insurance other than the BASC one? Edited October 21 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted October 21 Report Share Posted October 21 1 hour ago, BUCKSHOT1 said: I run a driven pheasant shoot I have a BASC game keeper insurance. Bad start to shoot Lack of numbers due to weather conditions and nature feed .Members money all spent on birds feed rent , few guns asking for money back how do I stand with all money spent on shoot .And would BASC insurance help in any way . Very worried any help please. WE found the same on our shoot, putting down birds in recent years has been throwing good money after bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 21 Report Share Posted October 21 It depends what they paid for, but if you’re with BASC, then I’d be asking them. No one else can tell you for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted October 21 Report Share Posted October 21 would be amazed if Basc insurance could help ,it would open a massive can of worms . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted October 21 Report Share Posted October 21 If he has Members I would assume it is a syndicate. I would be surprised in that instance if they have any come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted October 21 Report Share Posted October 21 Stand in there shoes and look at this the other way would you be happy with what there getting for the money they parted with Are you delivering what you sold them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted October 21 Report Share Posted October 21 Looking back on a member's previous posts is always interesting. I'll get my own coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 22 Report Share Posted October 22 4 hours ago, enfieldspares said: Looking back on a member's previous posts is always interesting. I'll get my own coat. You make a good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted October 23 Report Share Posted October 23 How many poults did you put down was it you that looked after them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUCKSHOT1 Posted October 23 Author Report Share Posted October 23 On 21/10/2024 at 17:48, button said: Are you running this as a commercial/profit making enterprise? No it is a syndicate shoot first time for 20 years having a bad start . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUCKSHOT1 Posted October 23 Author Report Share Posted October 23 7 hours ago, Rim Fire said: How many poults did you put down was it you that looked after them 2000 birds 3 drives are alright it’s the main drive can not find them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted October 23 Report Share Posted October 23 10 minutes ago, BUCKSHOT1 said: 2000 birds 3 drives are alright it’s the main drive can not find them Are they eating food in the main drive/cover crops ? possibly a different time of day maybe work better hard to say without seeing the layout of the land/shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted October 23 Report Share Posted October 23 Was they holding in the main drive to start with mabe they have spread out to the other drives as they dont like the main drive for what ever reason how many hrs a day are you doing with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted October 23 Report Share Posted October 23 2 hours ago, BUCKSHOT1 said: 2000 birds 3 drives are alright it’s the main drive can not find them Where are you ? What type of woods - we have oak and see a good harvest of acorns that can move birds about Have you someone messing you about when you are not there ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutt Posted October 23 Report Share Posted October 23 Any new workers on the estate ? we had a new shepherd last season his wife was taken her kids and four dogs thru our best drive first thing in the morning before we started our day . Only found out when I rocked up early to broadcast some feed in the drive in the hope that it would keep the birds busy. Turned out we took very few birds from this drive all the season . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted October 23 Report Share Posted October 23 Get some maize / sunflowers spread in the drives - that will show you if the birds are still there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 On 21/10/2024 at 16:22, BUCKSHOT1 said: I run a driven pheasant shoot I have a BASC game keeper insurance. Bad start to shoot Lack of numbers due to weather conditions and nature feed .Members money all spent on birds feed rent , few guns asking for money back how do I stand with all money spent on shoot .And would BASC insurance help in any way . Very worried any help please. 3 days and no reply to the people who have tried to help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCB56 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 2 hours ago, old'un said: 3 days and no reply to the people who have tried to help you. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make em drink. As my mum used to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 On 23/10/2024 at 14:49, BUCKSHOT1 said: No it is a syndicate shoot first time for 20 years having a bad start . I have been in a syndicate for over 30 years and the costs are what it costs to run the shoot, no profit. We have had good years and bad years, just par for the course and nobody has ever asked for their money back in a poor year!! Since the winters have become mild over the last few years the costs are unfeasible as the birds can't be held by feeders as they have in the past, returns that were 40% have been as bad as 10% and the additional cost of Wheat and Poults compounds things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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