Scully Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 Just a heads up for those of us who are fans of the above, there are several outstanding examples on GT. I messed up posting multiple links, but for those interested: Page 1: A very nice 101 XTR for £795. Page2: Diamond Grade Trap £595. Page 2: A Gorgeous Diamond Grade Trap ( Sold ) Page 3: 23 XTR Pigeon Grade £995. Page 13: A very nice 6500 Skeet gun £600 Page 13: Field. An ‘as new’ fired once 101 boxed with all paperwork and merchandise £1495 Page 18: 101 XTR Lightweight in its original lined Winchester case and with Winchester slip £1500 Page 22: Diamond Grade which comes with an extra 34” multi choke mono barrel and Teague chokes. £2000 There was also a very nice PG(?) with 3 sets of barrels but I’m assuming it’s sold unless I’ve simply missed it? 🤷♂️ As a big Winchester fan it’s good to see them and to know that prices are creeping up on even some of the good basic models, and that there are still sleepers out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted December 11 Report Share Posted December 11 Mostly made by Nikko I believe , didn't Winchester build them a larger factory to produce these guns and a few Nikko workers kept a smaller unit next door making Nikko branded guns - read somewhere that the Nikko guys used to cherry pick the best wood and various metal parts for their branded guns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 11 Author Report Share Posted December 11 6 minutes ago, bruno22rf said: Mostly made by Nikko I believe , didn't Winchester build them a larger factory to produce these guns and a few Nikko workers kept a smaller unit next door making Nikko branded guns - read somewhere that the Nikko guys used to cherry pick the best wood and various metal parts for their branded guns? All Japanese made in the Olin Kodensha factory. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted December 12 Report Share Posted December 12 23 hours ago, Scully said: Just a heads up for those of us who are fans of the above, there are several outstanding examples on GT. I messed up posting multiple links, but for those interested: Page 1: A very nice 101 XTR for £795. Page2: Diamond Grade Trap £595. Page 2: A Gorgeous Diamond Grade Trap ( Sold ) Page 3: 23 XTR Pigeon Grade £995. Page 13: A very nice 6500 Skeet gun £600 Page 13: Field. An ‘as new’ fired once 101 boxed with all paperwork and merchandise £1495 Page 18: 101 XTR Lightweight in its original lined Winchester case and with Winchester slip £1500 Page 22: Diamond Grade which comes with an extra 34” multi choke mono barrel and Teague chokes. £2000 There was also a very nice PG(?) with 3 sets of barrels but I’m assuming it’s sold unless I’ve simply missed it? 🤷♂️ As a big Winchester fan it’s good to see them and to know that prices are creeping up on even some of the good basic models, and that there are still sleepers out there. Thanks Scully I used a Winchester sporter for Wildfowling many moons Ago and regretted selling it ever since I think there brilliant guns 👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear68 Posted December 12 Report Share Posted December 12 Oh dear.....more temptation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 12 Author Report Share Posted December 12 1 minute ago, Bear68 said: Oh dear.....more temptation! I know! I really should stop looking on GT; all those Winchesters and so little room….and money. 20 minutes ago, Gerry78 said: …..I think there brilliant guns 👍👍 Me also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted December 13 Report Share Posted December 13 On 11/12/2024 at 19:05, Scully said: Just a heads up for those of us who are fans of the above, there are several outstanding examples on GT. I messed up posting multiple links, but for those interested: Page 1: A very nice 101 XTR for £795. Page2: Diamond Grade Trap £595. Page 2: A Gorgeous Diamond Grade Trap ( Sold ) Page 3: 23 XTR Pigeon Grade £995. Page 13: A very nice 6500 Skeet gun £600 Page 13: Field. An ‘as new’ fired once 101 boxed with all paperwork and merchandise £1495 Page 18: 101 XTR Lightweight in its original lined Winchester case and with Winchester slip £1500 Page 22: Diamond Grade which comes with an extra 34” multi choke mono barrel and Teague chokes. £2000 There was also a very nice PG(?) with 3 sets of barrels but I’m assuming it’s sold unless I’ve simply missed it? 🤷♂️ As a big Winchester fan it’s good to see them and to know that prices are creeping up on even some of the good basic models, and that there are still sleepers out there. Any chance you have a link to the 101 on page 13, can not find it TIA Found it👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted December 13 Report Share Posted December 13 Too expensive I think for people these days. Nice guns but old hat now , little spares, but a 30” fixed choke 6500 mk2 handles like a D5G B25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garjo Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 And another one….https://www.gunstar.co.uk/winchester-super-grade-101-xtr-lightweight-shotgun/Shotguns/1742181 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murray smith Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 My boy has a 6500 mc Trap Gun, sporterised with a Grand European game stock. Beautiful gun, handles beautifully too, I used to own a B2G and the Winchester was superior in everyway, handling, finish, wood/metal fit. Anyhow B2G sold and replaced with a grade 3 Miroku 3700S game gun, as 95% as good as the B2G for 1/6th of what I was paid for the B2G. Conclusion? Japanese make very good guns and value is more important than status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 14 Author Report Share Posted December 14 18 hours ago, Fargo said: Too expensive I think for people these days. Nice guns but old hat now , little spares, but a 30” fixed choke 6500 mk2 handles like a D5G B25 I don’t understand either of those comments to be honest. If it’s just opinion then fair enough, but too expensive compared to what? Too old for what? Spares are easily fabricated from similar gun parts but I can’t say I’ve ever needed spares for any of those I’ve owned. An ejector cracked on a mates Grand European, but a replacement was soon sourced, but apart from that I’ve had no issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 3 Parker Hale 800 series guns trap Skeet and game basically 101s for sale on guntrader from Griffon sporting all cheap £300 ish cracking guns as good as any you can buy today not too old and no problems with spares . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krico woodcock Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 Great guns, bomb proof. Brilliant handling guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pippin pup Posted December 14 Report Share Posted December 14 Classic Winchesters will only go up in value. If you come across a good one buy it, use it and look after it!! 😎👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted December 15 Report Share Posted December 15 7 hours ago, Scully said: I don’t understand either of those comments to be honest. If it’s just opinion then fair enough, but too expensive compared to what? Too old for what? Spares are easily fabricated from similar gun parts but I can’t say I’ve ever needed spares for any of those I’ve owned. An ejector cracked on a mates Grand European, but a replacement was soon sourced, but apart from that I’ve had no issues. It’s opinion 👍🏻 but most shops won’t touch them really as don’t sell very well except perhaps a sleeper that hasn’t been used or very very lightly. Sadly not the sort of things most buy nowadays unless an enthusiast or such. Not so many practical gunsmiths around either sadly so “quick” repairs like with a modern beretta or browning generally can’t happen. Maybe I am wrong but I bet lot of those guns will be for sale for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 15 Report Share Posted December 15 6 hours ago, Fargo said: It’s opinion 👍🏻 but most shops won’t touch them really as don’t sell very well except perhaps a sleeper that hasn’t been used or very very lightly. Sadly not the sort of things most buy nowadays unless an enthusiast or such. Not so many practical gunsmiths around either sadly so “quick” repairs like with a modern beretta or browning generally can’t happen. Maybe I am wrong but I bet lot of those guns will be for sale for a while. My practical Gunsmith is great, the reason he can't do much very quickly is down to him being so busy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted December 15 Report Share Posted December 15 I use my 101 Waterfowl on taller game days .. and love it! So much so, my 30” Browning E1 (choked 1/2 and 3/4) doesn’t get an outing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 15 Author Report Share Posted December 15 7 hours ago, Fargo said: It’s opinion 👍🏻 but most shops won’t touch them really as don’t sell very well except perhaps a sleeper that hasn’t been used or very very lightly. Sadly not the sort of things most buy nowadays unless an enthusiast or such. Not so many practical gunsmiths around either sadly so “quick” repairs like with a modern beretta or browning generally can’t happen. Maybe I am wrong but I bet lot of those guns will be for sale for a while. Fair enough, but in my experience I find the opposite. I was given a very well used 20 bore S1 Model 12 takedown a few years ago, still tight and perfectly serviceable but with no finish and a chip out of the toe. I used it as a part ex for another gun and the RFD couldn’t wait to get his hands on it. It went in to his private collection as he is a big classic Winchester fan. I don’t know if he still has it ( probably sold it back to someone in America! 🙂 ) but he couldn’t wait to show me some of his collection! Anyhow, I got in touch with a local practical gunsmith and he was too busy to come to the phone; his assistant told me there’s a 3 month waiting list for a service nevermind other work. 🤷♂️ I’ll admit they’re bought by enthusiasts, but they’re enthusiasts for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted December 15 Report Share Posted December 15 10 hours ago, Fargo said: It’s opinion 👍🏻 but most shops won’t touch them really as don’t sell very well except perhaps a sleeper that hasn’t been used or very very lightly. Sadly not the sort of things most buy nowadays unless an enthusiast or such. Not so many practical gunsmiths around either sadly so “quick” repairs like with a modern beretta or browning generally can’t happen. Maybe I am wrong but I bet lot of those guns will be for sale for a while. I think you may find that "shops won't touch them" due to the fact they are not 'steel proofed'. A lot of shooters, and especially the 'next generation' have been completely brainwashed to the fact "if it ain't steelproofed.....DON'T touch it". I recently sold 2 SKEET chokes, I was asked for the usual 'pics' of course, but 2 guys would not buy them because they were not specifically steelproofed. I use 1/4 chokes in both barrels, and as such would not hesitate to put standard steel (if I must) through my Classic Doubles or Winchester 101 guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted December 15 Report Share Posted December 15 11 hours ago, Fargo said: It’s opinion 👍🏻 but most shops won’t touch them really as don’t sell very well except perhaps a sleeper that hasn’t been used or very very lightly. Sadly not the sort of things most buy nowadays unless an enthusiast or such. Not so many practical gunsmiths around either sadly so “quick” repairs like with a modern beretta or browning generally can’t happen. Maybe I am wrong but I bet lot of those guns will be for sale for a while. I know of a couple of retailers that ship every half tidy Winchester to the states its a shame but you are right not really fashionable any more .🙂↕️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear68 Posted December 15 Report Share Posted December 15 I've been seriously thinking about buying a Browning 525 with 28" barrels; an older Winchester might be a more affordable option....not least because I prefer fixed chokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted December 15 Report Share Posted December 15 1 hour ago, Bear68 said: I've been seriously thinking about buying a Browning 525 with 28" barrels; an older Winchester might be a more affordable option....not least because I prefer fixed chokes. Winchester 5500 28 inch barrels would be perfect for you ,a real quality gun ,nice engraving with fixed or multi choke and an adjustable trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted December 15 Report Share Posted December 15 I have 2 6500 spotters both 30” one fixed choke and the other multi choke. I’m after a 8500 and a 5500 to match if I can find ones clean enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear68 Posted December 15 Report Share Posted December 15 28 minutes ago, holloway said: Winchester 5500 28 inch barrels would be perfect for you ,a real quality gun ,nice engraving with fixed or multi choke and an adjustable trigger. Thank you.....I'll have a look on Guntrader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 15 Author Report Share Posted December 15 28 minutes ago, tweedledee said: I have 2 6500 spotters both 30” one fixed choke and the other multi choke. I’m after a 8500 and a 5500 to match if I can find ones clean enough I own a very nice 8500 which I sometimes use for clays but mostly when I’m decoying corvids. It is fixed choke and stamped as full/extra full, and even though it IS tight, I’m not convinced it’s that tight. 🤷♂️ It minces anything I hit with Eley Pigeon Select. They are exceptionally good guns in my opinion, and you don’t see many come up for sale. You could try Miroku Matt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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