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I can never understand why in a country where the ownership of firearms is so common, the availability of guns to aquire in general appears to be fairly straightforward, plus given the historical track record of school shootings in the US, there is no armed security outside schools. 🤷‍♂️

Is it me? 

It beggars belief, it really does. 

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21 minutes ago, Scully said:

I can never understand why in a country where the ownership of firearms is so common, the availability of guns to aquire in general appears to be fairly straightforward, plus given the historical track record of school shootings in the US, there is no armed security outside schools. 🤷‍♂️

Is it me? 

It beggars belief, it really does. 

There was a politician who said they should arm teachers. ???

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9 minutes ago, oowee said:

There was a politician who said they should arm teachers. ???

Yes, I recall that, but it’s a typically idiotic dismissive comment by some campaigning empty head, as not every teacher may want to be armed, nevermind confront an armed attacker. 
The most logical solution in my opinion would be to employ professional security. America must be swamped with them. 

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On 16/12/2024 at 20:56, Scully said:

as not every teacher may want to be armed, nevermind confront an armed attacker. 

Sometimes NOT confronting said armed attacker isnt an option, they confront you, in that situation, I would prefer to be armed.
Its not for everyone obviously, and in some situations its not going to work (armed teacher is the 1st target being one) but Im sure it could save lives in others, and provide a deterrent to others ?

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On 18/12/2024 at 15:24, mel b3 said:

I wonder how many teachers would have it in them to shoot and probably kill a 15yr old girl ?.

Plus the level of training required to be effective and not more of a hindrance.

I could also imagine the cops turning up and shooting a teacher, mistakenly believing them to be the shooter.

It could get very messy with 20 or 30 armed individuals running around in civi clothing. 

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1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said:

Plus the level of training required to be effective and not more of a hindrance.

I could also imagine the cops turning up and shooting a teacher, mistakenly believing them to be the shooter.

It could get very messy with 20 or 30 armed individuals running around in civi clothing. 

The whole situation just doesn't bear thinking about really.

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On 18/12/2024 at 15:24, mel b3 said:

I wonder how many teachers would have it in them to shoot and probably kill a 15yr old girl ?.

I don't know how many would want to carry a gun even if they own one at home and are proficient in its use; but It’s the deterrent aspect of it that counts. 
From what I’ve read there are ‘gun free’ zones in various places, and I’m assuming schools are amongst them, like churches.
Most shootings take place in locations where the shooter knows they will face little if any opposition; they may be deranged and cowardly, but they’re not stupid. 
It’s the same the world over; criminals ( whether armed or not ) target those who can least defend themselves. 

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7 hours ago, Scully said:

I don't know how many would want to carry a gun even if they own one at home and are proficient in its use; but It’s the deterrent aspect of it that counts. 
From what I’ve read there are ‘gun free’ zones in various places, and I’m assuming schools are amongst them, like churches.
Most shootings take place in locations where the shooter knows they will face little if any opposition; they may be deranged and cowardly, but they’re not stupid. 
It’s the same the world over; criminals ( whether armed or not ) target those who can least defend themselves. 

You're probably right scully. It's not something that I'd thought about too deeply , until the other day to be honest.

I know several school teachers very well , and I know that just the thought of handling a firearm would fill them with dread , never mind having to use one against a child.

School security guards , that carry firearms,  would seem a much better option.

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The Americans have only one good thing in my opinion, that we don’t have over here, and that is the right to arm themselves for self defence. 
Over here law abiding people are prevented BY LAW to even carry a pepper spray; our politicians and so called leaders would prefer its law abiding citizens were victims rather than carry something with which to defend themselves. 
Thats the only positive I can think of regards America. 
The cheese crisps are 💩. 
 

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8 minutes ago, MaxHardcore said:

On the other hand, would you feel comfortable every day knowing your child is going to school in a county where mass shootings are the highest on the planet? 

On the other hand 3 girls were stabbed to death and 8 others injured at a Taylor Swift themed dance class last July in Southport, primarily because of the points I outlined in my post above. Victims not by choice but by law. 
In America they have the choice to protect pupils in schools and other places if they so choose. The option won’t even be debated in the UK. 🤷‍♂️

If I were the OP I’d choose a US state with a much sunnier climate than anywhere in the UK; the recreational shooting/hunting choice will still apply. 🙂👍

 

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28 minutes ago, MaxHardcore said:

True, but imagine what extra damage that scumbag would have caused if he'd been armed with a semi or automatic weapon. I seriously would be more worried about my children living in the US than I would in the EU.

We can ‘imagine’ all manner of things if you like; we can imagine they were armed with a bazooka or planted a bomb. 🤷‍♂️

But if you want to deal in facts, the fact is the scumbag in the UK was armed with a knife, the most basic ( apart from a club ) and readily available to all, of tools, and as law abiding people we have no defence even against that. There are stabbings in the UK on a daily basis and the general public are defenceless not by choice but by law. 
In America they have the choice, and I’d opt for the ‘choice’ every time. 
I seriously worry about the safety of my kids ( and they’re both adults ) in the UK, given how things are. 

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47 minutes ago, MaxHardcore said:

No, we don't have to imagine, mass shootings in the US are the highest rates in the world, and this is a country with an established gun culture. Facts are, nut jobs can cause more destruction with firearms than they can with knives.

I’m not sure the US has the highest rate of deaths caused by gun crime, but without looking it up I may well be wrong. 
The fact a nut job can do much more damage with a gun than a knife is totally irrelevant; we’re talking about the lack of a choice to defend oneself and others against ANYTHING. 
The Americans have the choice to patrol their schools, churches, whatever, with specially trained security armed with semi-automatic firearms, pepper sprays or even a baton if that’s what they choose to do. In the UK we aren’t allowed by law to carry anything to defend ourselves or those in our care with anything.  Fact. 
If you want to imagine things, imagine what it must have felt like to sit on a bus and watch some scumbag stab to death a school girl, which happened earlier this year, and being unable to do anything about it except call the police who are minutes away. 
Edit: My apologies to the OP, I’ll start another thread. 
 

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