Southport Stabbing trial.

[old man]

1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

The saddest part is that SOMEONE in a position of power will be keen to look after the rights of scum like him.

Yep, wonder who will fund the fat cat kc and buddies?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

2 minutes ago, JKD said:

Unfortunately, this will be expected, so I'm assuming he'll be put in solitary.

Yes, but someone will get to him, even if it just the Prison Officers giving him grief.

[JKD]

2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Yes, but someone will get to him, even if it just the Prison Officers giving him grief.

Maybe, but I'm also assuming that he will attempt to attack anyone if he gets the opportunity. So in summary,,,,, just give him an injection, but make it a long and painful death !

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Just now, JKD said:

Maybe, but I'm also assuming that he will attempt to attack anyone if he gets the opportunity. So in summary,,,,, just give him an injection, but make it a long and painful death !

An injection of air would be quick and relatively simple.

[Newbie to this]

9 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

That has to be the worst ‘hot take’ yet on this thread, and it has some stiff competition.

”Electrician given 100 lashes for forgetting to remove knife from his pocket before buying lunch”

 Yeah because our prison system is already overwhelmed with all the trades who have been sentenced for carrying a bladed article. Pull the other one....

No wonder it is bursting at the seams....

Edited 7 hours ago by Newbie to this

[Mice!]

7 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

posted on here by licence holders who really should know better. T

Are licence holders not people with feelings and families? I can never understand how many times folk say yes but what about your licence, not a chance should that be you first thought in a situation like the awful day these stabbings took place, he deliberately targeted those young girls!

It is a 1000 times worse than some lad carrying a knife, knowing he'll use it in case another lad pulls one on him, it's sickening and he should be put down, he could never be trusted again, ever.

[Rim Fire]

You gotta be careful licence holder are guilty until proven innocent not like criminals who are innocent until proven guilty be careful what you say i know people who have had their guns taken off them just by being heard saying the wrong word 

[Penelope]

14 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

A 9mm round would be the best way.

Left in a room with the parents. Real justice!!!

[udderlyoffroad]

1 hour ago, Newbie to this said:

 Yeah because our prison system is already overwhelmed with all the trades who have been sentenced for carrying a bladed article. Pull the other one....

No wonder it is bursting at the seams....

Have you not been paying attention? There are currently people serving sentences for unwise posts on social media. There are about 30 odd people in prison in this country at any one time as a result of not paying their TV licence, for crissakes. And yes, people with a legitimate reason to carry a knife are constantly getting prosecuted as is.

[udderlyoffroad]

29 minutes ago, Mice! said:

Are licence holders not people with feelings and families? I can never understand how many times folk say yes but what about your licence, not a chance should that be you first thought in a situation like the awful day these stabbings took place, he deliberately targeted those young girls!

Whatever your first thought should be, your second thought must be; do I post this online/share this, or is that unwise?

We have no freedom of speech in this country, at least not by any reasonable definition. I wish people were angrier about that, personally.

6 minutes ago, Penelope said:

Left in a room with the parents. Real justice!!!

 

1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

An injection of air would be quick and relatively simple.

Stooping to his level, not justice

[TIGHTCHOKE]

4 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Whatever your first thought should be, your second thought must be; do I post this online/share this, or is that unwise?

We have no freedom of speech in this country, at least not by any reasonable definition. I wish people were angrier about that, personally.

 

Stooping to his level, not justice

Which is YOUR OPINION.

I would take him out of the equation. Which is my opinion.

[Scully]

Calls for an even longer sentence are heartening, as in my opinion and with a lack of capitol punishment, he should die in jail, but the person who moots he should be allowed to apply for parole or released at 70 years of age may not even have been born yet. 
Hopes he’ll be got at in prison aren’t high as I was hoping the same for that piece of dirt in Soham, but it hasn’t happened to any great effect unfortunately. 

[Penelope]

2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Yes, I am sure he will be targeted and they just have to wait until the time is right.

Kettles will be a boiling and the jam at the ready.

[Newbie to this]

23 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Have you not been paying attention? There are currently people serving sentences for unwise posts on social media. There are about 30 odd people in prison in this country at any one time as a result of not paying their TV licence, for crissakes. And yes, people with a legitimate reason to carry a knife are constantly getting prosecuted as is.

Yes, and none of them are tradesmen, incarcerated for carrying a bladed article that they forgot to remove from their pocket, whilst going to lunch 

[mel b3]

4 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Or just a longer piece of rope?

Quickest and cleanest option all round.  It should have been done within ten minutes of the trial ending.

[udderlyoffroad]

2 hours ago, Newbie to this said:

Yes, and none of them are tradesmen, incarcerated for carrying a bladed article that they forgot to remove from their pocket, whilst going to lunch 

You cling to my example seemingly unable to grasp the bigger picture.

We already have some of the strictest knife laws in the world, to the point where we’ve become the butt of jokes internationally. Knife laws which did sweet FA to prevent this tragedy. Same with our firearms laws incidentally.

Your (i have to assume) serious suggestion of administering lashes for carrying a knife would put the UK on a level with medieval Middle Eastern S-holes of countries that insist on women wearing burkas. And to what end? To solve what problem?
 

The ‘problem’ in this cause was a combination of radicalisation, and the authorities indifferent attitude to it, but mainly an evil/mentally ill toe-rag murdering small children.

Kindly explain, using small words & visual  aids for my thick brain to comprehend, how corporal punishment for carrying a knife would do anything to help.  “as a deterrent” isn’t an argument in this case, though I will concede it might make inner city yoofs think twice. But that is not the issue here, home grown jihadists is the issue.

[old man]

3 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Have you not been paying attention? There are currently people serving sentences for unwise posts on social media. There are about 30 odd people in prison in this country at any one time as a result of not paying their TV licence, for crissakes. And yes, people with a legitimate reason to carry a knife are constantly getting prosecuted as is.

Sadly, just an illustration of how unbalanced the justice system is now?

3 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Whatever your first thought should be, your second thought must be; do I post this online/share this, or is that unwise?

We have no freedom of speech in this country, at least not by any reasonable definition. I wish people were angrier about that, personally.

 

Stooping to his level, not justice

Sadly again, you can be as miffed as you like but the politicos know it will be to no avail as they designed the system? 

Nothing to protect the plebs?

No constitution!

Edited 2 hours ago by old man

[clangerman]

pointless braying won’t save a single life what will save future victims is round up those who failed now quietly slipping away in the noise to fail elsewhere 

[Rewulf]

55 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Your (i have to assume) serious suggestion of administering lashes for carrying a knife would put the UK on a level with medieval Middle Eastern S-holes of countries that insist on women wearing burkas.

You will find those countries have very little knife crime, but thats not the point, we have out of control knife crime, especially in London and other large cities, you only get to hear about stabbings now when someone dies, there are many more attacks that only end in injury.
There is no deterrent to it.
And there are plenty in this country who force women to wear burkas, so dont worry, we're getting there.

 

56 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

And to what end? To solve what problem?
 

The problem of out of control knife crime ?

[bostonmick]

there was another stabbing this week in a wharehouse/collection centre.several people injured.this seems to be the in thing with wannabe terrorists.but no doubt our current government as the last lot did and do nothing about it just make a few noises about make it harder to get a knife.every one of these cases just highlights how important it is to control borders and the Internet.

[udderlyoffroad]

12 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

we have out of control knife crime, especially in London and other large cities

Agreed. But Southport is about jihadism, this terrible crime has nothing to do with “knife crime”. 

If your concern is about inner city knife crime, I suggest enforcing the existing laws including the (spouted so often it’s a tragic cliché) use of stop and search.

Not knee jerk laws making it even harder to buy kitchen knives from Amazon. In other words, the rest of us must suffer to be seen to be “doing something”. Surely as licence holders we can see this?

 

 

[Penelope]

3 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

I suggest enforcing the existing laws including the (spouted so often it’s a tragic cliché) use of stop and search.

Wacist, don't you know, so not going to happen.

3 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Not knee jerk laws making it even harder to buy kitchen knives from Amazon.

Not wacist and absolutely ineffectual, so will happen.

[udderlyoffroad]

13 minutes ago, Penelope said:

Wacist, don't you know, so not going to happen.

Not wacist and absolutely ineffectual, so will happen.

Sadly I agree. Must stock up on Moraknivs before the law goes even sillier

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, udderlyoffroad said:

But Southport is about jihadism

Although I personally agree that it was 'something' to do with Islam, the judiciary AND our lovely government, disagree, and state quite firmly, 'There was no ideological motive'

 

1 hour ago, udderlyoffroad said:

If your concern is about inner city knife crime, I suggest enforcing the existing laws including the (spouted so often it’s a tragic cliché) use of stop and search.

Human rights, and the fear of offending minorities have put paid to this.

 

1 hour ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Not knee jerk laws making it even harder to buy kitchen knives from Amazon.

Sorry, thats not going to work, if criminals who are incarcerated can make a knife, its not beyond the realms of possibility that even knuckle headed gang bangers can manufacture a lethal bladed instrument.
In the right hands, a pointy stick is lethal.

[Newbie to this]

2 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

We already have some of the strictest knife laws in the world, to the point where we’ve become the butt of jokes internationally. Knife laws which did sweet FA to prevent this tragedy. Same with our firearms laws incidentally.

Knife laws wouldn't change, only the sentence.

2 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Your (i have to assume) serious suggestion of administering lashes for carrying a knife would put the UK on a level with medieval Middle Eastern S-holes of countries that insist on women wearing burkas. And to what end? To solve what problem?

Nice deflection. But while we are on about medieval holes, were are fast becoming one, mainly due to knife crime, and our stupid self-defence laws. 

Maybe medieval behavior needs medieval punishment.....

To what end? - maybe others will think twice.

To solve what problem? - people thinking it's okay to carry a knife, because there is little to no punishment.

2 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

The ‘problem’ in this cause was a combination of radicalisation, and the authorities indifferent attitude to it, but mainly an evil/mentally ill toe-rag murdering small children.

And in this case a flogging wouldn't be the sentence, hanging would be. Although I suppose we could flog him for carrying, before we hang him.......

But just maybe, if he was flogged for one or all of the times he was caught with a knife in school, this whole incident could have been avoided......

3 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Kindly explain, using small words & visual  aids for my thick brain to comprehend, how corporal punishment for carrying a knife would do anything to help.  “as a deterrent” isn’t an argument in this case

Yes, and in this case, (forgetting that if he was punished for his previous) flogging would not be the sentence, hanging would be. And before you say it wouldn't be a deterrent, I don't care, it will remove the scum from ever being able to commit another offence.

3 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

though I will concede it might make inner city yoofs think twice. But that is not the issue here, home grown jihadists is the issue.

So we agree it may be a deterrent  even if not to all