Konor Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 6 minutes ago, London Best said: I’m sorry, but I don’t agree. The antis do not think we should be shooting anything at all. Even one bird is too much in their minds. The specific people I am talking about are not anti despite their vegetarian lifestyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 1 minute ago, Konor said: The specific people I am talking about are not anti despite their vegetarian lifestyle. I got that bit, but I disagree that shooting smaller bags would result in less antis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konor Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 5 minutes ago, London Best said: I got that bit, but I disagree that shooting smaller bags would result in less antis. I’m sure it would ,I’m not talking about committed anti fieldsports activists I’m talking about individuals that see us in the context we create. Entitled followers of the excessive bag mentality on shoots where some drives can see shots per bird as high as 10 to 1 can influence the non committed to see our sport as distasteful. In rural areas many people brought up with small scale shooting see it as part of their culture, large commercial shoots are liable not to be seen in the same way by some of those same people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 (edited) 2 hours ago, Konor said: I’m sure it would ,I’m not talking about committed anti fieldsports activists I’m talking about individuals that see us in the context we create. Entitled followers of the excessive bag mentality on shoots where some drives can see shots per bird as high as 10 to 1 can influence the non committed to see our sport as distasteful. In rural areas many people brought up with small scale shooting see it as part of their culture, large commercial shoots are liable not to be seen in the same way by some of those same people. This absolutely. I listened to a drive on a Commercial shoot last season and was sickened by the number of shots, it was a slaughter on a grand scale. I have been a member of 3 small shoots for 30 years but recently gave up my SGC / FAC. The farm I Pigeon shot on for years had a Commercial shoot on it and hated it. Edited March 3 by Weihrauch17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HantsRob Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 22 hours ago, enfieldspares said: I used to be in a (with a very formal dress code all bespoke tweed non of your off the peg John Norris catalogue gear) syndicate I wonder how much of your own charm, style, and personality was muted due to having to fit into that group? That is not a slur on you, but I mean that formal environments often stifle people's own self. Fair play on the farmers for exactly what they did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, HantsRob said: I wonder how much of your own charm, style, and personality was muted due to having to fit into that group? That is not a slur on you, but I mean that formal environments often stifle people's own self. Fair play on the farmers for exactly what they did! Oh no we gave as good as we got. We were all Leicestershire men. It was just that we all had this "thing" about not wanting to look like male models from the John Norris catalogue on a photoshoot. We shot with all side by side guns but that ranged from Purdey through to one with a cheap old Birmingham hammer gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 Interesting that the new Scottish Natural Environment Bill is proposing mandatory training for deer culling and BASC are opposing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 The Game Shooter Certificate. Sounds like another BASC Trojan Horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konor Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, jall25 said: Interesting that the new Scottish Natural Environment Bill is proposing mandatory training for deer culling and BASC are opposing it They are also opposing further restrictions on lead shot use but that is not always reflected in practice apparently. Nevertheless if they do in fact oppose mandatory training and continue to offer affordable accessible training to supply a need then that’s of benefit to the shooting community and should be applauded. Ideally the cost of any such training should be minimised and ideally covered in one day to avoid the expense of overnight stays which may make those opportunities not viable for those living further afield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted March 3 Author Report Share Posted March 3 3 hours ago, redial said: The Game Shooter Certificate. Sounds like another BASC Trojan Horse. BASC aims to promote and protect shooting activities by establishing and maintaining high standards through education, training and best practice. BASC supports industry-led voluntary training and is opposed to the introduction of mandatory competence testing for any form of shooting. However, people who are new to the sport must accept that the onus is on them to develop the knowledge and skill to use a shotgun or firearm safely. We offer a range of courses to help you demonstrate you have the knowledge and know-how to use firearms or shotguns confidently and safely, in a field-based situation. https://basc.org.uk/training/ As regards the proposals to introduce mandatory training for all deer stalkers in Scotland, BASC is the only organisation actively opposing this requirement, as there is no evidence to justify it. https://basc.org.uk/why-the-scottish-natural-environment-bill-must-be-fixed/ As such, rather than comments about 'Trojan Horses' perhaps get behind BASC, if you are not already a member. https://basc.org.uk/join/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 Quote One of Docherty’s bête noires was supposedly Doug Ellis, the Aston Villa chairman. Ellis prompted one of Docherty’s most famous quotes. When Ellis said, “don't worry, Tommy, I am right behind you, Docherty replied, “I would rather have you in front of me, Mr Chairman.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 (edited) 11 hours ago, Conor O'Gorman said: Edited March 4 by redial Double post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 11 hours ago, Conor O'Gorman said: As such, rather than comments about 'Trojan Horses' perhaps get behind BASC, if you are not already a member. https://basc.org.uk/join/ Once a proud member but wouldn’t join if it were free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konor Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 I’m heading that way myself. I’m annoyed that I’m having to make the break after so long but my head is taking precedence over my heart and I’ll be off at the next renewal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 5 hours ago, Konor said: I’ll be off at the next renewal. Lucky you. It’s a requirement of my permission otherwise, based on the opinions, content, and output of their representative on here I would have left BASC at my last renewal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago Don`t forget,certification of anything usually ends up having an offence attached to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago I find it funny how alot here are apposed to certification which would better your knowledge, also having a certification to show potential new permission owners etc to make you request to shoot the land more robust. How many people take training to better their career, be it self learning or via the company they work for. This in hand means better pay etc. so better knowledge and physical evidence of it, I feel is good. I definitely feel that the HO or government should not impose restrictions unless you have the certification. But if you want to spend the money on a course then do so if not then don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted 58 minutes ago Report Share Posted 58 minutes ago 35 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said: I find it funny how alot here are apposed to certification which would better your knowledge, also having a certification to show potential new permission owners etc to make you request to shoot the land more robust. How many people take training to better their career, be it self learning or via the company they work for. This in hand means better pay etc. so better knowledge and physical evidence of it, I feel is good. I definitely feel that the HO or government should not impose restrictions unless you have the certification. But if you want to spend the money on a course then do so if not then don't. @ShootingEgg I was with you until the third paragraph. I'm not 'seeing' the link between restrictions and certification. Why would you need to be restricted if you hold a certification/ qualification? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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