vole Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Neighbour showed me a copy of The Sun. As above,he finds a sawn off and 2 cartridges in his garden,makes an appointment to see the Police Superintendant and takes it down in a bin bag.Promptly arrested and put in cells for 6 hours. Facing jail.Maybe he should not have been so public spirited and not have touched it,just reporting it but are we missing something here? Seems weird. Maybe more effort should be put into having a society where there are not so many illegal guns and gun crime rather than pick on the innocent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 i agree mate there's so much focus on legally owned guns and ****** all on illegally owned ones, its a joke i'd like to know the statistics for gun crime as in how many legally owned guns are used to commit crimes each year compared to how many illegal ones get used. you don't tend to here of anyone doing a drive by at night in a defender 90 and the victim saying 'i never saw a thing he had his red filter on officer and was covered head to toe in realtree' it does sound a little strange that he made an appointment to take it in, surely you'd just ring the station or 999 and explain that you'd found a gun and they'd pick it up surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 I thought there was a rule allowing people to annoymously hand in illegal weapons without persecution ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr lee Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 This is the sun we are talking about though so I wouldn't be suprised if they happened to leave a few facts out which would result in the police trying to charge him. One thing they did say though, was that he had the gun a few days prior to handing it in....Why didn't he just ring 999 or his local cop shop upon finding it initially? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 he also made an appointment to see the chief of police, then marched into his office and put the gun on his table. According to another site. all very strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Is he innocent? we only know the papers version. Again the police dont know him and they dont know if he is innocent. If they just let him go on his way and they later realise the gun had been used in armed robberies say......... they MIGHT have just let their ''man'' go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 (edited) http://www.thisissurreytoday.co.uk/news/Ex...il/article.html i wonder if there is much more to this story - if not , it sends a clear message out to the law abiding community about helping the police with matters like this - Edited November 14, 2009 by pegasus bridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Please, this is The Sun we are talking about here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonySmith Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Please, this is The Sun we are talking about here. I agree, Tabloid excrement to the highest degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedandlazee Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 (edited) Its any excuse for the old bill to improve their stats. I was arrested a few months back and they raided my house under the terrorism act while i was locked up. Now doing me for six poxy firearms charges!! They tried to do me for having a gun without a license because their database was not upto date. Luckily i had copies of letter etc plus my license to show that it was their cock up so they dropped it. I had seven charges (still have six), even the sergeant agreed that it could have been just 2 but they split em out to increase their success rate. They could have spent all this time and money on arresting real criminals but i suppose that would be too much like hard work. Its easier to focus on the generally law abiding citizen who makes the odd genuine mistake. Now i've lost my guns and license - back to fishing now i guess I've lost all faith in the authorities in this country now. Up the revolution Edited November 14, 2009 by wickedandlazee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 LETS RAISE A PEOPLES ARMY AND SEIZE CONTROL OF THE STATE!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Now would be a good time to contact the BASC firearms dept. Assuming you`re a member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justintime Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 It just shows that where firearms are concerned you can not do anything right in the eyes of the law. They should give him a medal for getting a leathel firearm off the streets What if two kids had found it and reported it as comeing out of his garden and one shot the other then what would he be found guilty of This abserloutly stinks just shows the law is a compleat *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexr Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Perhaps its time that the various organizations, CA, BASC, etc formed a unified political wing to campaign more effectively for the legal firearms user. That is not to say that they are not trying to do this now, but lobbying is expensive and greater resources could and should lead to greater success. We need to start by pointing out that the vast, vast majority of gun crime in Britain involves weapons that have never been in legal ownership in the uk. Even presenting the number of deaths caused by legally help weapons as a percentage of total firearms deaths since the introduction of gun control. Contrast this with the increase in gun crime since the introduction of the hand gun ban. Present the facts make a real stink. Point out that it is not working. Most of the emotive people in the gun control lobby are victims of illegal firearms. We should stop walking on egg shells here Reese Jones was not killed by a legitimate gun or gun user. Therefore his parents should have no real say in legitimate gun control beyond that of any other member of society. Sorry. A bit of a rant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Forgive me - you go to the Police Station and see the civvy on the desk. You do not make an appointment with a Chief Superintendent. There is more to this. Why he needed to see someone of that rank - only he knows. He brought this on himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 If I was in that situation I wouldn't trust the police enough to hand it in. I hate to say it but although the police are generally good people, you hear enough stories of innocent people getting bent over that I just wouldn't run the risk. I'd just cut it up myself and lose the pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Guy was covicted of "the offence" following a judges direction The judge, directing the Jury using "strict liability" ie you hold it and have no excuse in law said- "This is an unusual case, but in law there is no dispute that Mr Clarke has no defence to this charge" hence he was found guilty by a directed jury? So simply picking up a shotgun etc even with good intent will render one liable to 5 years what the **** has this country come to? KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shot shot Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 i would take njc'c method. chop it up, burn the wood, throw it in the sea, whatever, just don't go anywhere near the police with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 So if i found a gun in a park for example and handed it into the Police-i would be arrested? What a bizzare world we live in that when someone tries to do the right thing-they're wrong.Surely its better for someone who knows their way around firearms to ensure it isnt loaded etc instead of a kid who would most likely just pull the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Better to ring the old bill stay with it and wait for them to turn up. If I found a sawn off in my front garden then I would reasonably assume it has been used in a crime and not touch it (fingerprints etc). It would not have been left there by "accident" and there is only criminal reasons to have a weapon like that these days. There is more to this and how can the actions of the Police be judged without knowing the full facts?. You can't make presumptions based on what the Sun writes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guss109 Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Forgive me - you go to the Police Station and see the civvy on the desk. You do not make an appointment with a Chief Superintendent. There is more to this. Why he needed to see someone of that rank - only he knows. He brought this on himself. forgive me for being stupid but the guy served in the forces the same as i did and he knows how to make a weapon safe so he decides to take it up with the chief as he is used to the chain of command and doesnt want the normal monkeys to mess him about and they do this to him in return what ever happened to innocent till proven guilty? With storys like this would you do the right thing and hand it in ? it would make me think twice about stopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Something's not quite right here. An ex soldier finds a sawn off shotgun and cartridges in his garden, rings the local police station to MAKE AN APPOINTMENT to see the chief superintendant the FOLLOWING DAY. He has possession of an illegal and unlicenced firearm overnight and up until the point he lays it on the chief superintendants desk the next day. If, when making his 'appointment' he had mentioned what he'd found the local plod would have been round in double quick time. Maybe by handling the gun and cartridges and covering them with his fingerprints he was trying to cover himself? Maybe the gun was his, and had been used in a crime of some sort? If i was a copper that's how i'd be looking at it. He says he found the gun but 'didn't know what to do'. Well he knew to ring the police station, so why not tell them WHY he was ringing. If i made that find i think my conversation would go something like "Hello, i've just found a sawn off shotgun in a bin bag dumped in my garden, can you send someone round please". Job done!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 what ever happened to innocent till proven guilty? He IS guilty. No if's or but's, he's guilty as charged. By taking the gun in and keeping it until the next day he was in possession of a prohibited weapon. End of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 what ever happened to innocent till proven guilty? With storys like this would you do the right thing and hand it in ? it would make me think twice about stopping with respect I think you have not understood what has happened here the guy has not just been charged he has been found GUILTY by a directed jury on the grounds of "strict liability" ie no excuses, needs, whys or wherefore's. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 He kept it over night then made an appointment to see a senior officer rather than call the police the moment he "found" it. Seems simple - a stupid mistake from a stupid person got said fool banged up for a few years, no conspiracy, no orwellian tactics ( sorry kdubya ). Its in the press so we know the full facts, after all its the Sun. This is a clear travesty for those who want it to be, a miscarriage of justice that will be forgotten about by those who protest its a fit up. I found a spent 9mm case in a car park in Croydon, I thought it best to call the police rather than take it home. They collected it, amazingly. One more fool removed from the streets for a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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