SSS Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 (edited) LINK.... Sorry, I read it wrong, he was a member of a gun club. “He did do a bit of shooting and I think he belonged to a gun club. He used to like to shoot animals in the woods around his home and on land belonging to farmers in the area. I know he had some guns but I don’t know which ones Edited June 2, 2010 by SSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 LINK.... Sorry, I read it wrong, he was a member of a gun club. Thats not good, sounds like they was licensed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon2008 Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Thoughts to the victims and their friends and family. A mentalist hell bent on killing Im afraid. There seems to be one every decade; Michael Ryan, Thomas Hamilton now this evil ******* Derek Burd. Regardless of whether he was a sgc or fac holder, the public will demand tougher restrictions and the new government hve promised to get tough on knife crimes so shooters will be affected. Im quite sickened by this and to be honest has put me off going out with the gun for now. I think all border line decisions made by the police will be refused with immediate effect; ie shooters who have suffered from depression etc and have had medical help. Quite horrendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofkings Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Very sorry to hear this news,deepest sympathy goes out to all connected..I have to say,I can't understand how the police couldn't get a helicopter on to him pretty quick,and an armed response team.With the amount off witnesses to come forward he wasn't hiding to much,in the three hours he was roaming about the 999 emergency line must have been red hot....very sad.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Deepest sympathy to the families of the dead and best wishes for a speedy recovery for those injured. It appears that this tragedy started with some sort of disagreament with colleagues, against whom he seems to have born some malice. Could he also have born some malice against the shooting community as the murderer must have known full well that there would liklely be reprecussions for all SC and FAC holders? Blackpowder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 so it looks like he had a gun licence.reading on the web Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby b Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Its not a good day up here for the people of whitehaven or us who have sgc/fac i bet the laws on firearms ownership are to get tough.I cant belive that someone can just flip an kill so many people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 as the murderer must have known full well that there would liklely be reprecussions for all SC and FAC holders? Everyone assumes this is the case but if he didn't have licenced guns there's a good chance he could have got hold of unlicenced guns. What's happened to gun crime since hand guns were banned? Nial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskymac Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 (edited) He turned the gun on himself in the village of 'Boot' I think. We were supposed to be camping in Boot with family/friends the weekend after next for the annual real ale festival, a real cracking event with live music, good food, etc. Stunningly pretty area will be rocked by this for a long, long time. Edited June 2, 2010 by whiskymac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC45 Posted June 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 The guy has just recently become a grandfather You would have thought he'd be made up! I just cannot understand how someone could get so low, and I have had hard times through the years. My father was going to buy a new 308, not sure he will now. Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pippin pup Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 I cannot believe todays events, last night i stayed in a hotel in Hungerford and got talking to a local who was injured in the shootings there last time, and he said that it was a very bad day and hoped it never happened again! we all agreed to that comment and then today!! I just cannot believe it!!! A very sad day for everybody. PP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Interesting balanced comment here.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/cri...the-future.html "We will not be able to prevent another Cumbria. So let us not go into the "post Cumbria" period as if we can. It would be grotesque to apply the term "act of God" to it. In essence, though, that is how we should treat it. " Nial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traztaz Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Guys, firstly to all thoes that have been effected by this my deepest thoughts and condolences.This is a wicked wicked thing that has occoured. I see many people here worrying about past incidents and the reactions to them, my stance is that this is surely a case for strong argument for all police to be armed.GB has proved twice now that banning a weapon will not discontinue it's use.Arm the police and at least you have a chance. As a serving soldier I say to thoes that thought taking him on with a private weapon.............come and enjoy a tour in AFG and see how you feel about taking human life, even killing scum leaves scars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 They think they have just found his body, he has shot himself..... makes you wonder what goes on in peoples minds shaun Pellets......... what he should of done first,not shoot other people...####. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamechef Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 How incredibly sad.... my thoughts and condolences with all the friends and families this crime has touched... i had thought of a quiet 'walk' out with the dog tonight...but having heard this on the news when i got home, well just put me off completely... there really is no way to account for this happening, and to be honest tougher gun laws are a good thing in my book..i know i had to jump through hoops for my fac , and rightly so, it assures the safety as far as is reasonable of the public at large...and for most of the time that includes most of us. As has been said already if someone in this frame of mind has the intent to do this, they will use whatever is at their disposal. Daz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Its a shame that his problems which he obviously had weren't picked up, whether by his family and closest or on his own admission, there are very few sheer evil people in this world, I don't imagine the chap had any thought whatsoever of the consequences and was ill enough to do this and take his own life along with twelve loved sons, daughters, parents. Thoughts to all injured and family of the murdered. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Guys,firstly to all thoes that have been effected by this my deepest thoughts and condolences.This is a wicked wicked thing that has occoured. I see many people here worrying about past incidents and the reactions to them, my stance is that this is surely a case for strong argument for all police to be armed.GB has proved twice now that banning a weapon will not discontinue it's use.Arm the police and at least you have a chance. As a serving soldier I say to thoes that thought taking him on with a private weapon.............come and enjoy a tour in AFG and see how you feel about taking human life, even killing scum leaves scars. I wouldnt trust half of them to issue parking tickets let alone wield a firearm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agusta Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Its a shame that his problems which he obviously had weren't picked up, whether by his family and closest or on his own admission, there are very few sheer evil people in this world, I don't imagine the chap had any thought whatsoever of the consequences and was ill enough to do this and take his own life along with twelve loved sons, daughters, parents. Thoughts to all injured and family of the murdered. God bless. Apparently he was a well respected and liked guy, he flipped - no warning, it would be fairly difficult to pick up on someone who turns deadly overnight - its not as though he was 20 something and high on drugs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Maybe he one of those nutjobs that wanted to be remembered in history, well he acheived that but in the way 99.9% we wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Dog Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Tragic, how very very sad. Thoughts have to be with the families and friends of the deceased and injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 After things like this there has to be a backlash. The politicians can't be seen to be doing nothing to try to prevent it happening again. After all the reporting of the actual tragedy the press and media will go into an anti gun frenzy. for them its too strong a story to just let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastiebap Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Sad news, and a bad day for shooters, especially with the anti-gun lobby, who will selfishly use this event for their own agenda. With the 1689 Bill of Rights and the rights of firearms ownership being consistently eroded in the following 300 odd years, I can't see how, in a free society, gun control can be further tightened. Indeed the current laws in mainland UK are somewhat draconian. The fact that there have only been 3 shooting sprees with large numbers in the last 23 years, shows (statistically) that murder using a legally held firearm, whilst an emotive event, is not a huge problem in the UK. Consider that in 2007 2946 people were killed in Road Traffic Accidents, in the politicians felt it apt to congratulate this figure as low, no calls to ban motor vehicles. Bearing in mind that the gun control film, loved by the Liberal media and gun control lobby, Bowling for Columbine, lists the UK firearms death statistic as 68, show that statistically again, firearms are not a problem. Those fond of knee jerk reactions and banning should remember that: In the wake of 7/7 Muslims weren't banned from public transport to save lives Lorry drivers haven't been banned to protect prostitutes Hammers and Knives weren't banned after Peter Sutcliffes killings Harold Shipman didn't force the government to ban GP's to save the elderly Whilst i'm maybe being pedantic, proof shows that firearms ownership is safer than car ownership, ownership of ladders and many other everyday items that kill more people each year. Common sense is needed to prevail despite the media hype and conjecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 My mate said he was trusted as a dive buddy,level headed and good humored. Absolutely nothing to make him suspect he was a psycho in the making. Apparently seen leaving his house this morning with a blank look on his face. Should have just strung himself up in his shed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Apparently he was a well respected and liked guy, he flipped - no warning, it would be fairly difficult to pick up on someone who turns deadly overnight - its not as though he was 20 something and high on drugs! Appreciated, but it doesn't just happen like that. Not to diverge though. A number of people still critical in hospital looking at BBC 24, godspeed recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 wish nutters like this would not give us law abiding shooters a bad name whatever any of us think it is unfortunatley going to effect us in one way or another at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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