springer1996 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 hi i have just been given permission to shoot 15 arce of land that has a lot of pigeon,rabbits and foxes on it but has horses in the corner of the field that dont like the noise so what is the best hushpower to get to do the job a 410 or a 12 thanks springer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I'm no expert as I've been looking at the same question essentially. from what I gather the 410 is quite popular for rabbits and a good tool for the job, to get most benefit of the hushpower you need to use the lower velocity cartridges, the effective range I think maybe less than the 12 bore. Shot for shot the 12g is cheaper to run comparatively than the .410 Im sure someone more experienced will come along and correct me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I shoot a few paddocks with horses present-they will react to anything! They even jump at my silenced BSA ultra which is whisper quiet and these are horses which are used to guns! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Depends on the horse. I've horses you can fire a 12 bore from their back whilst being ridden and others who will run a mile at the sound of a gunshot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Its my experience that out of all the animals around the farm, horses are the most spooky when shots are fired. I keep well away from them. If you intend shooting "pigeon, rabbits and foxes" and want a hushpower, then it has to be the 12bore version. Someone will tell you that you can shoot a fox with a .410, but how often do they come and sit in front of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian750 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 To be honest it's not the horses I'd be worried about, it's potentially their owners! Some horse owners can be a bit erm.... twitchy, when it's not 18 degrees, slightly overcast with no more than a 6mph south westerly blowing, if you know what I mean! I personally shoot around my own horses without issue, horses WILL get used to the noise. I have a friend who runs a yard under the flightpath of an RAF base with fast jets screaming overhead and none of the horses even bother with it after they've been there a couple of days. However, if the horses aren't yours, just check that the owners (this might not be the person giving you permission to shoot) are ok with it too. This is just to cover yourself, I've known people get blamed for kicks in the field at a moments notice. I personally find the calibre that startles my horses the most is my HMR, so if you're thinking of the hushpower route you should be absolutely fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southeastpete Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 there is the 20 bore o/u. prob more expensive, but a wicked bit of kit none the less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 12. cheaper to run, more lead in air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Bear in mind the fall out safe zones for shot are recommended 300 yards if shooting into the air 15 acres doesn't leave a lot of room.......... You should not have shot falling outside your permission zones. Solution would be Air or FAC air for rabbits, traps for foxes and for pigeon you need to satisfy the GL so what crops are they damaging? What preventative measures have been used? OR how are they a health hazard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I've used my near silent hw100s against rabbits around horses many times and no problems, it really is barely audible though in 12fpe Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 i shoot a wood and there are 20 or more horses in the field next to it.and thet dont mind the bangs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 this ones easey, just shoot the horse and get on with your shooting. p.s that was a JOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 hi all , tricky one best check with the horse owners that way you cover yourself , prob best to keep as far away as you can , its sudden noise that will spook them not noise in itself they will become used to that if youre near them they will spook at first few shots but should settle down but like i saw best if you can keep clear The above is spot on for advice I have permissions on horse paddocks and they do not even flinch with AA 410 + AA MOD,a bit startled with spring air rifle,not bothered by .22lr and when i first introduced them to a unmoderated .410 i shot it at the far end of the field and they cantered over to see what my new gun was i have even had a mare and foal follow me whilst stalking rabbits which was a bit unerving at first but provided great cover :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lspencer Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I use a .410 baikal hushpower aroung cattle and horses. Its great doesn't disturb them at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kenny Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) I use a 20 bore Hushpower around Pedigree(believe it or not)Sheep and run of the mill cattle no real bother as it is nice and quiet they just sod off to the other side of the field as long as you use fibre wad cartridges it wont matter much if they are subtonics or not there is no real noise difference 12 or 20 bore is no bigger or smaller if it is chucking 32grams of lead down the range and sting just as much if you are at the wrong end 20s are a little more expensive to run but worth it for less noise I think Edited February 25, 2011 by kenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I've used my hushpower 20 b O/U intestarm within 80 meters of 3 horses,1 looked,pircked it's ear then ignored me,they are quiet enough and the point of aim is better with the O/U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springer1996 Posted February 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 thanks for all your advice and info you all gave me as all i was asking for was which one is the best hushpower 410 or 12g for around livestock and some of you said that there is a 20g as well so now i am going to tell the missis that i need them all 3 of them to do the job lol and thanks again for all your help and advice springer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney 66 Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 hi i have just been given permission to shoot 15 arce of land that has a lot of pigeon,rabbits and foxes on it but has horses in the corner of the field that dont like the noise so what is the best hushpower to get to do the job a 410 or a 12 thanks springer What sort of horses? i only ask because me and a pal used to do a bit of shooting for a racehorse trainer who said the horses will be in at night if there is the odd one left out they will probably be ok try it, if not come out of the field and go in another one, this was with an air rifle the horse didnt like it at all so we left it alone. For the last 3 or 4 years i have been shooting for 2 horse dealers who both deal in cobs,these are fine day or night after the first couple of shots with either the 12g or rifle,as others have suggested ask the owner first,if there happy for you to try start at a distance and work a bit nearer you will soon know if there not happy, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Iv'e had some sucess around cattle with a .410 hushpower. Although horses 3x the distance away have spooked at times. Its true they are stupid animals and take twice as long as the cattle to get used to the thwack. Strange thing is the cattle seem more worried by falling birds, and the odd runner gets attacked by them should it drag itself into their pen before I can grab it! Be really careful around horses, mainly because a lot of horsey people are all raving lunatics with an RSPCA bumper sticker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 (edited) We, my Mrs and me, bred arab horses for years. They are the spookiest animals on this planet. They think there is a dragon behind every tree! But they will spook at anything and then get used to anything. What ever you use, the horses, of any type, will canter about on the first occasion - they get bored just standing in a field all day so they get excited at anything new - but then they settle down again. It's those first few minutes that can cause the problems. Never mind the gun - make sure you have insurance - BASC or similar. The vet bills for a horse running straight through a three bar fence can be horrendous. Best is a well silenced .22 I should think. Its what I use around the paddocks. Edited March 6, 2011 by Grandalf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 We, my Mrs and me, bred arab horses for years. They are the spookiest animals on this planet. They think there is a dragon behind every tree! But they will spook at anything and then get used to anything. What ever you use, the horses, of any type, will canter about on the first occasion - they get bored just standing in a field all day so they get excited at anything new - but then they settle down again. It's those first few minutes that can cause the problems. Never mind the gun - make sure you have insurance - BASC or similar. The vet bills for a horse running straight through a three bar fence can be horendous. Best is a well silenced .22 I should think. Its what I use around the paddocks. If a horse was to run thru a fence would the shooter be responsible. If he were in the next field is it his fault that the horse is over sensitive and daft enough to damage itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Horses **** themselves if you **** near them - weird stupid animals. I've had mixed reactions from them though. To be honest they jump more at the air rifle than they do with the shotgun or HMR. Just don't let the owners see you in the act, or they'll claim their horse has every disease under the sun, a shock will kill them instantly and they've only just had it bought back from the dead since someone looked at it funny. After the first shot once they've done their stupid run around and made their huff noise they just stand there and stare at you like a dense bit meat anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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retromlc Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 After the first shot once they've done their stupid run around and made their huff noise they just stand there and stare at you like a dense bit meat anyway. For a second i thought you were talking about my wife. :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackinbox99 Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I shoot a few paddocks with horses present-they will react to anything! They even jump at my silenced BSA ultra which is whisper quiet and these are horses which are used to guns! Same here. They seem to have either a 6th sense or very sensitive hearing. Ive been in one of my fields before, no sign of any horse anywhere, im sitting there quiet as anything waiting for a rabbit to come out, next minute theres a horse standing behind me about to eat my hat. They seem to "know" your there. Likewise, when ive shot my s410 .22 air rifle and got a rabbit, the horse will hear it a mile off and start running about. If im closer he will clearly get upset about it. I darent try my hushpower 410 shotgun. Maybe some horses are different, but the ones in my permission seem very "sensitive". Still, hasnt stopped me getting loads of bunnys... just have to keep one eye on what the horses are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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