martyn2233 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 you can sell them on but you have to write a letter stating your details and buyer or friends details and which gun/ serial number/make ect ect then the buyer or friend can arrange with the police to pick up the gun(s) i know someone that losted there cert and thats what he did i got his 22.250 that way hope it helps some how martyn2233 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Sorry to hear you've lost your guns mate. We all mess up now and again and in my mind, being in possession of the drugs must mean you hadn't taken them which to me is a good thing! If you are able to get them back, good luck. It's a sad day when any first offender gets nailed because I firmly believe everyone has the potential to go a bit wrong at some point in life. It doesn't always mean you're a bad person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 (edited) The police will normally only deliver them to an RFD on your behalf. They vary in their policy but they are not going to put themselves out. Think yourself lucky if they do that, they can just confiscate and send them for destruction. As it was a drugs conviction you haven't got much room for argument. If it was epilepsy or something like that they might be a bit more flexible The dealer will know the score and he knows you aren't coming back as a customer so don't expect too much help there. Best you will get is if he agrees to sell on commission. Sorry about your predicament, I don't mean to be negative. Edited August 4, 2011 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 exchange or part ex for air rifle at rfd,at least you would still be able to go shooting, andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 exchange or part ex for air rifle at rfd,at least you would still be able to go shooting, andrew Best suggestion so far, get yourself a secondhand Rapid, dive bottle and some pellets. Then think about getting some legal advice and see if you can't get your certificate back in the future. Least you'll still be able to go shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stace1g Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 A lad i know lost his through drug related offences. he was told to re-apply for his cert in a couple of years. Gaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Agree with Piebob. You will not be able to use them legally. correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Wildfowler Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 (edited) the police are holding your guns in custardy for you they are still your property all you have got to do is write a bill off sale for the guns (ie make serial nos ) naming someone you know he then can go and collect them from where they are stored then the police will trancfer them on to his certificate then you can sell them on through him But make sure you get someone you trust and know because they will be his guns Better with someone you know than in the cop shop Edited August 5, 2011 by Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Thats if the plod still have them they could all ready be sold As folk have said and you know only too well now, should of said NO ! and if i were you (which all know i am not) i would find some freinds that dont use drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 He will not be prohibited as per Section 21 Firearms Act 1968 as this applies to custodial sentances only. He is simply returned to the status of not having a certificate. You won't be able to sell them privately as there is no longer an authority to possess them but they may be released to an RFD as has already been mentioned. The section 11 certificate that allows non cert holders to use guns at a clay ground wont let you shoot if you are banned from holding a certificate, he has had his withdrawn which amounts to the same thing im afraid. maybe davidbasc will put some input into this shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 I agree with the above. I'm no expert but surely if you've had a certificate revoked that makes you a prohibited person? If he wasn't prohibited then he'd still have his SGC! :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 If the certificate has been revoked and the guns confiscated you are in no position to do anything without the blessing of the police. If you can find someone to take them off your hands, either gift or sale or whatever, ask the nice policeman if that is ok! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 No I don't think It was justified EH? but they think so I was drunk in Scotland and got caught in posseion of drugs I was giving A stupid mistake at the time but doesn't make me a danger to public I have not committed any crimes before You don't think it was justified? Ticket holders are judged to be of responsible habits. Whilst it's very unlikely that you might do a Roul Moat or Derek Bird being as you have committed no crimes before, but how could the police defend allowing you to keep guns IF you kick off while under the influence? To be fair - it's conceivable to them that you may have become a drunken druggie. You don't say how you came to the attention of plod whilst drunk and possessing drugs. Sorry but that sounds perfectly justified to me because drunks usually only get plod action when they are being arsols. You have admitted it was a stupid mistake and fair play to you for not whinging about it mate. Hope you get to sell your guns or swap them for something that you can still use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDown Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 The section 11 certificate that allows non cert holders to use guns at a clay ground wont let you shoot if you are banned from holding a certificate, he has had his withdrawn which amounts to the same thing im afraid. maybe davidbasc will put some input into this shaun No it doesn't. Read the legislation. It's not dissimilar to Driving Licences. If you're license is revoked it does not mean you are disqualified. Entirely seperate things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 (edited) No it doesn't. Read the legislation. It's not dissimilar to Driving Licences. If you're license is revoked it does not mean you are disqualified. Entirely seperate things. I agree, but am not saying I'm right. I thought a prohibited person is someone who has served (or sentenced to) more than 3 years is prohibited for life, less than that and you're prohibited for 5 years. But don't let that detract me from my opinion, without sounding holier than thou (which I suppose I can be, as I don't have a record for drug possession), you should of thought about it really before being in possession, which it sounds like you obviously already know...you've got some balls to ask the question to be honest... You should be ok to re-apply with success after time. Edited August 8, 2011 by kyska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 No it doesn't. Read the legislation. It's not dissimilar to Driving Licences. If you're license is revoked it does not mean you are disqualified. Entirely seperate things. if your driving license is revoked you cant drive, same with shooting without a license that has been revoked shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDown Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 if your driving license is revoked you cant drive, same with shooting without a license that has been revoked shaun Got any legislation to back that up? Section 21 is not the basis and nor is 30C or 30D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Got any legislation to back that up? Section 21 is not the basis and nor is 30C or 30D Nope just an edjumacated guess.... section 11 states that "not to provide opportunity for regular shooting persons who do not possess shotgun certificates" shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDown Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Nope just an edjumacated guess.... section 11 states that "not to provide opportunity for regular shooting persons who do not possess shotgun certificates" shaun I can't find that in Section 11. I'm using Legislation.gov.uk. It doesn't say that he is banned either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 I can't find that in Section 11. I'm using Legislation.gov.uk. It doesn't say that he is banned either. Its printed on our section 11(6) certificate shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearandnoidea Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 (edited) if your driving license is revoked you cant drive, same with shooting without a license that has been revoked shaun You have to have a driving license to be allowed to drive. You don't need a driving license to own a car. With shooting it is not the same, you need a certificate to own a gun but you don't need a certificate to shoot. Edited August 9, 2011 by allthegearandnoidea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDown Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Its printed on our section 11(6) certificate shaun That it might be but the legislation says nothing of the sort. A bit like FAC's with mentor conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronttuk Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I had my licence revoked in 2006 for a while i had to stay at my sisters who has a shotgun cert after 6 months the police told her she was not allowed to keep her guns at her house while i was there. The police removed my shotguns and my .17hmr, my sister collected the shotguns from the police and now holds them for me, my .17hmr was collected by a RFD and sold on my behalf for a drink. Before you start wondering what i did i was found guilty of non violent harassment, threatening behavior. I also got found guilty of having a silencer on my .17hmr although it was on my licence!! I could of appealed but at the time i couldn't be bothered now im just waiting for the 5 yrs to reapply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyboots Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 this apllies to northern ireland not sure about england/wales/scotland Guidance on NIO firearms controls 10 Rifles i. A person of at least 18 years may borrow a rifle from the occupier of private premises (which includes any lands) and use it on those premises in the presence of the occupier or his employee or representative. The Order does not define the term “occupier” nor has a court clarified its meaning. However, the definition contained in the Wildlife (Northern Ireland) Order 1985 may be adopted as a general guide. That is that “occupier includes any person having any right of hunting, shooting or taking of game or fish”. The occupier must hold a firearm certificate for the rifle and the borrower must comply with its conditions regarding borrowing and use. He may also purchase or acquire ammunition for use with the rifle which should not exceed the quantity which the certificate holder is authorised to have in his possession at that time. ii. The effect of the provision is to permit a person of 18 years or more to borrow and use a rifle on a private estate, principally for the purposes of deerstalking, without the requirement of a firearm certificate. 11 Shotguns 1. Paragraph 11 provides for a person of 18 years or over, without holding a firearm certificate, to borrow and use shotguns in certain circumstances. There is a degree of overlap between sub-paragraphs (1) and (2) which means that some activities may be provided under either (1) or (2). The intention is that they will provide for the following – Paragraph 11(1) 2. A person, without holding a firearm certificate, may borrow a shotgun from the occupier of private premises/lands (as described in paragraph 10 above) and use it in the occupier’s presence. He also has a responsibility of care to ensure that the use of firearms on the premises/lands does not endanger anyone. In cases of doubt as to the status of an occupier the Chief Constable may wish to seek legal advice. The presence of the occupier is normally taken to mean within sight and earshot of the person borrowing the shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shot shot Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 He may also purchase or acquire ammunition for use with the rifle which should not exceed the quantity which the certificate holder is authorised to have in his possession at that time. How does that work, it has to be signed onto the holders certificate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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