Dirty Harry Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 I've just been thinking about the Mark Andrews thread but thought this should be separate. I have seen on here many times over the years and have been told hundreds of times by people I have met that in the good old days if the police caught you doing something wrong you would get a clip round the ear and taken home. You would then get another one from your dad and would go to bed without your dinner. Do people really think that's the way forward? What would you think if your kid came home and said the copper smacked him round the back of the head and because he was being rude or threatening? These days if you so much as get a bit firm with someone they want to 'av your job and see how much compo they can get and post it on youtube. I would be interested to hear your thoughts. Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) back when i was a kid the local bobby knew the bad lads and the ones trying it on,he dealt with it as he thought fit, now the old bill get points awarded for arrests be it career type crimms or lads having a laugh. Edited November 10, 2012 by markbivvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Some of the police are respected and do a good job,i have worked with a lot of good ones, unfortunately some of the police are liars and use and abuse the system,and then try to hide behind it when they are caught out. Until the police can be seen to be fair and not try to cover up or protect their own,then they will not have the support of the public. As to your scenario,i will be happy to let my kids get a clip around the head, as long as i can do the same to the idiot officers who get it wrong or lie to me,but i doubt that will happen anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 I've just been thinking about the Mark Andrews thread but thought this should be separate. I have seen on here many times over the years and have been told hundreds of times by people I have met that in the good old days if the police caught you doing something wrong you would get a clip round the ear and taken home. You would then get another one from your dad and would go to bed without your dinner. Do people really think that's the way forward? What would you think if your kid came home and said the copper smacked him round the back of the head and because he was being rude or threatening? These days if you so much as get a bit firm with someone they want to 'av your job and see how much compo they can get and post it on youtube. I would be interested to hear your thoughts. Harry I have never actually witnessed behaviour from the Police like that, but in my dad's era there was a copper who enjoyed a punch up usually with drunks who could not defend themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Prevention or cure, which do you think better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 The first thing to remove is the no win no fee scenario - when this goes the compensation culture goes with it. When this is gone,even "stern words" and "taking home" will start to function again - the parents wont want the aggro if there is nothing in it for them and they will start to control the kids - it may take time but many "ills" will disappear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 I grew up in a small market town in the 1970's,and have personal experience of local coppers beating up the odd mouthy person,including one lad who was hospitalised as a result.While I think it still goes on,the chances of it happening unobserved have lessened,but instances of Police getting away with it doesn't seem to have diminished a great deal.Some are good,and some aren't',and in that respect nothing has changed,but personally I don't have a lot of respect for the Police;personal experience having biased my outlook somewhat. It can't be an easy job I must admit,but no-one is conscripted into the Police Force,and all recruits must soon learn what is expected of them and after training must be aware of most of the challenges they will face.If serving Police officers don't have the self control the job demands in the face of extreme provocation,then possibly they shouldn't have joined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 The lack of respect started when they banned corpral punishment in schools. kids knew they could do what they wanted will no fear. they then grew up and so on and so on..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 when i were a lad, coppers were made of wood but seriously things started going wrong when children were put on a pedestal and treated as demi-gods then people wonder why they wont do as they are told or except rebuttal or punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) There was a lot to be said about the local village copper giving you a clip round the ear and marching you home so your dad could give you one on the other ear to match, just as there was for school teachers being able to "chastise" you (Usually with a dap or a cane in my case) - It taught you to rerspect other people and their property. There was a time when your parents could "punish you" for misbehaviour, but those days are gone and the kids know that if anyone, be it a copper, teacher, parent or otherwise as much as grabs them by the scruff of the neck they can report them for child cruelty and in some cases I believe that some children play in it. As long as children are not allowed to be punished accordingly for their misbehaviours there will be very little respect shown by children of todays era. The only real danger is that there can always be a few coppers, teachers or parents that could go overboard with the levels of punishment administered, and this is where there has been and always will be a real danger. Edited November 11, 2012 by Frenchieboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Although i think most people agree that behaviour in many has deteriorated badly from 'the good old days' i would like to show a wee bit of balance to this post. On some occasions at lunchtime, i get a paper from the local superstore which is near a grammar school, the shop is packed with the schoolchildren, all of differing ages. I witness their way of behaving and all i can say is that they are a credit to their parents and school etc. You dont hear the vile language, they respect others, queue in an orderly way and show no menace whatsoever. I would also add that when they leave the store to return to school you dont see any of this 'vile' gobbing on the streets. So i am drawn to the conclusion that its 'all about the parents' Get that right and the police and wider society would have it easy!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 We all need a bench mark that we know not to cross, that today has been removed, to the detriment of society in my opinion. from Auntie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tod Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 when i was a kid, we got the cane at school and respected teachers, as for the police you had to be a certain height to get in then and they where respected, the local bobby is a thing of the past, if you ring for the police now you get a community officer or someone just out of short pants, nowadays nobody has any respect for the police due to all the **** programmes on like 999 whats your emergency, watched it a couple of weeks ago and a police women was putting lipstick on whilst driving to a shout . I think society as a whole has gone down hill partly due to all the **** on tv and us adopting alot of american ways like suing your parents,police,teachers etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyshooter Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 So I was 11 years old, or there abouts, many moons ago, and full of it. Just climbed over a hedge with apples I'd scrumped from a farmers orchard, stuffed up me jumper, feeling pretty much "the man". On dropping down the other side of the hedge, I came face to face with the local bobby sitting on his bike smoking a fag. Well son, he said, you pinched e'm, you eat e'm . Never touched an apple to this day, had the gallops for a week , instant justise, can't beat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper3 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 When I was young, i grew up on a council estate, this one didn't have the best of names, yet at the time it was a close knit community. Our local Bobby was a great man..he would have a kick around with a football, he would pop into the youth centre, but when you did something wrong..he wouldn't clip you nor would he shout.. he had this way of talking very quietly yet stern..you almost felt like a fool afterwards I don't think i have ever has so much respect towards a police officer since... Many years later after he retired , he got himself a little job as a forklift driver.(I guess to top up his pension) .. I once ended up going to the site he was working on..we had a great talk about the good old days..when all of a sudden ..this young labourer shouted at him .... and this kids language was awful phil (the policeman) didn't blink.. but i did react... I went up to this kid and softy said..."If i ever hear you talk to that man again in that tone of voice".... "ile rip your head off".... the kid looked at me with shock then to my surprise the foreman who also grew up on our estate was behind me and also said.. much the same thing that was one copper who gained a lot of respect from a lot of people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 When I was a kid, our local copper did indeed give us a clip round the ear while marching us home for mum or dad to do the same. Not that any of my "crimes" were so horrific they warranted any more, but it did give us respect. Same at school. If we deserved it there was the slipper or cane to think of. That's how come I've turned out to be such a well-rounded nice person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 2 nd year at comprehensive they abolished corparal punishment 1978ish .the rest is history look to the gangs that chase and stab each other in the big citys .then u see its another 15 or 16 year old thats dead wot for .do we need metal detectors and guards like in america to protect children from themselves in school :no: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I am afraid to say, i would question the actions of a copper smacking or correcting a child/teenager Only from the amount of misstrust I have now in the force. Yes in the olden days I would of had a differnt view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 2 nd year at comprehensive they abolished corparal punishment 1978ish .the rest is history look to the gangs that chase and stab each other in the big citys .then u see its another 15 or 16 year old thats dead wot for .do we need metal detectors and guards like in america to protect children from themselves in school :no: Trying to link those two things is tenuous at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikk Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I've just been thinking about the Mark Andrews thread but thought this should be separate. I have seen on here many times over the years and have been told hundreds of times by people I have met that in the good old days if the police caught you doing something wrong you would get a clip round the ear and taken home. You would then get another one from your dad and would go to bed without your dinner. Do people really think that's the way forward? What would you think if your kid came home and said the copper smacked him round the back of the head and because he was being rude or threatening? These days if you so much as get a bit firm with someone they want to 'av your job and see how much compo they can get and post it on youtube. I would be interested to hear your thoughts. Harry I'm only just 40 years old and that was exactly the way it was when I was young. I'm not proud to admit but we did get up to a little more than just mischief. I never forget how at least of of the the local policemen knew my name even though I'd never been in trouble with the police. They would use what I would describe as mild intimidation, basically letting you know you were at the bottom of the food chain and not to mess with them...that was enough for me I can tell you. One night someone I was with threw some putty at a car and it turned out to be a police car...I was terrified about what would happen to us and never got involved with anyone doing stupid things like that ever again, they did catch us and the one that did it got thrown backwards into someone's garden. I've a few more stories like that but even then there was a lot of resentment towards the police even from adults. In contrast here's a story that happened on my road about 6 years ago. Two lads from some scummy estate nearby were walking up our road drinking, swearing loudly etc then started an altercation with of my neighbours a 60+ year old man...admirably my neighbour who is a big fella tried to do the right thing and called the police and then just stood at the entrance to his property. Not wanting to lose face the smaller one of the two (no doubt feeling really brave having his big mate with him) went hysterical and threatened to kill my neighbour and started throwing bottles at his window...then he went on to viciously assaulting him. My neighbour didn't fight him at all probably scared he'd get done for assault himself and received a flurry of blows mostly to his groin. Afterwards we heard he was black from the bruises. Eventually the police turned up and I watched in disbelief as they didn't even make the two scrotes stand up let alone arrest them...then before my eyes they let them walk away. I rushed out of the house and went up to the police asking angrily when they'd just let someone walk away who had not only damaged property and assaulted someone but had threatened to come back and murder him. Anyway they'd let them go and I was told by the senior of the two that they didn't arrest them because they were on call and all the time the two scrotes were stood at the end of our street watching to see who came out and spoke to the police. Clearly she was not interested in doing her job but the junior policeman (who looked like a proper copper in my opinion) came back that evening to ask for a statement and he was a really genuine guy wanting to do his job but I'd had too many bad experiences like this (another story or two) and that I was never going to court again...maybe if they'd treated it seriously and the justice system wasn't a joke (not the fault of the police) I would think differently. In the second tale a good slapping wouldn't have changed anything for that toe-rag because it had come way too late, but if he'd grown up with a healthy respect of the police and a little fear the consequences maybe things would be different. Anyway this isn't a police bashing post just some observations. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 The lack of respect started when they banned corpral punishment in schools. kids knew they could do what they wanted will no fear. they then grew up and so on and so on..... Disagree, problems start with parents who cant be ***** with their own kids........ or worse put them on a pedestal. I love mine and think they're pretty much on the right track, angels they are NOT !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 One never gains respect from assaulting somebody. The 'clip round the ear' era wasn't what it was due to clips round ears, and anyone with even, I don't know, perhaps a quarter of a brain, can work that out fairly easily. Fear and respect are two very different things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Disagree, problems start with parents who cant be ***** with their own kids........ or worse put them on a pedestal. I love mine and think they're pretty much on the right track, angels they are NOT !! About time we had a reasonable post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikk Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) Disagree, problems start with parents who cant be ***** with their own kids........ or worse put them on a pedestal. I love mine and think they're pretty much on the right track, angels they are NOT !! Yes I agree but when the parent fails what next? I'm not advocating beating kids but schools in particular are been held more and more responsible for raising kids and cant discipline them. Once they go off the rails and becone known to the police there's not much even they can do! And lets not even mention social workers they never seem to do anything. So the kids and parents get away with murder and they pass through system to system ending up at the policemans feet and even they cant do anything. Edited November 12, 2012 by Nikk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Yes I agree but when the parent fails what next? Re-educate or remove. And lets not even mention social workers they never seem to do anything. They do not have to do anything but provide a report in these circumstances, legally they are not required to "DO" anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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