Russian Record Cartridges

[Pippin pup]

My first memories of pigeon shooting was years ago, when I was a young lad, sat under a tree in a wood watching my dad shoot pigeons with an old side by side.

I can remember the loud,'explosion!!!!!', lots of flames and confetti and the ground shaking every time he fired!!!.

Where is the fun in this I though?

He used to try and eject the them my way to try to cheer me up.

I can remember the smell of the fired paper cases being good!!! No I did not start smoking despite my dads best efforts!!

 

I can also remember asking him why he used these cartridges and he said that because they were half the price of those expensive Eleys and at £35 per 1000

these were ok for pigeons. Those were the days!!.

 

The Cartridges were' Record'? paper case with a rolled turn over closure. I can remember some were green and some were red. they had flying ducks or geese

Printed on the side but I cannot remember much more.

 

Can any one remember these or better still have some?

I would love to show my lad, who is just getting into shooting, so I can tell him my first memories of pigeon shooting.

 

Has any one got memories of there first cartridges??

 

Best wishes

 

PP

[Bazooka Joe]

I remember them well, & so do my ears..

[Underdog]

I use to use them and the later plastic ones. I loved them and was hoping this was about their return

 

Their AAA and BB were mustard!

 

U.

[davecooper1]

I can remember them, everybody used them because they were cheap, big bang and mucky barrels, mi old man swore by them.

[RED BEARD]

i've still got some of the plastic case one's

[simon6ppc]

were they the baikel ones or not, if so ye they were noisy mother flippers

[HW682]

You might find this thread interesting..

 

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/256027-blast-excuse-the-pun-from-the-past-for-you-shot-gunners

[Floating Chamber]

In the early 1960s these shells had 'AZOT' as the head stamp. I paid 5s 3d for a 10 pack in 5x2 format. For the same price, Sellier and Bellot shells were flat 10s.

[johnlewis]

I use to use the plastic cases in the 70s as they were cheap and being an apprentice could not afford the likes of Eley and Remington out of my price range and being sold in 10s made easy for me to go out shooting. But as others say did they go bang or what and the muck left in barrels made it look like you been to war. My father would not use them in his AYA saying the shot was to hard the Russians throw any stuff in them but I had and still got a Russian single 12 bore had a barrel like a steel water pipe so in they went and did it give a kick or what. Still got one of the cartridges some where as I kept 1 of each as reference to what I have used over the years must be about 24/25 different brands of cartridges I have used in 30 years of shooting ( I bet most are Eleys with different outer case on) .

[Floating Chamber]

Another cheap favourite around in the early 1960s, (but soon to disappear) was the Frank Dyke 'Yellow Wizard'. It was loaded in England but had Belgian powder. The two filler wads were of cork and what looked like horse hair. While we are on the subject of 'older' cartridges, do any of you fellas remember the paper-cased Polish 'Hawk' shells that appeared during the 1970s cartridge shortage*?

 

*caused by the devastating explosion at Eley.

[matone]

I used a lot of `Canuck`shells during the shortage,their Dove & Quail load was quite a smooth shooter.

[kent]

gosh I shot a lot of duck with those plastic record shells, they seemed to have a lot more go in them

[Underdog]

gosh I shot a lot of duck with those plastic record shells, they seemed to have a lot more go in them

Same ere. The AAA and BB were brilliant.

 

U.

[vulpicide]

I gave the young apprentice (Zander) a handful a couple of years ago and sniggered at the thought of him and Dom after crows seeing tongues of flame sparks and smouldering confetti it wasnt long before I got the call *** was that you gave us Zander thought his gun had blew

[Kes]

I remember the eley paper case and the smell before they were fired and after. It was so strong a memory and the carts were so effective, I decided to buy 500 paper cased carts when I was in London from one of the leading gunmakers - bad mistake, carrying them round nearly cut my fingers off.

Selier and Bellot were our pigeon shooting cartridges and they werent that bad either.

A shooting friend who loads his own organised a day on a local pheasant shoot and used blackpowder carts he made himself as peg numbers which each gun had to shoot on the day - that was quite inspiring, after the smoke had cleared !

I also remember the alomst mythical Hymax carts which seemed to bring anything down at seemingly ridiculous ranges - I once shot a crow, i'd like to think it was 70 yds with one and it folded its wings after about a hundred yards and crashed into the side of a working combine. Those were the days. Still, not long to the start of the season and hopefully a few more memorable events !

 

Edit - spelling

Edited August 14, 2013 by Kes

[hanky]

I am sure I have some - how many do you want?

[Blackpowder]

Its been said already, green Baikil shells , plenty bang plenty smoke and loads of recoil but they could kill as far out as anything. I endorse what Kes says about Eley paper cases a great smell when fired and a great smell when you opened a new 25 box, must have been shellac or something the sealed the paper with.

 

Blackpowder

[Pippin pup]

Another cheap favourite around in the early 1960s, (but soon to disappear) was the Frank Dyke 'Yellow Wizard'. It was loaded in England but had Belgian powder. The two filler wads were of cork and what looked like horse hair. While we are on the subject of 'older' cartridges, do any of you fellas remember the paper-cased Polish 'Hawk' shells that appeared during the 1970s cartridge shortage*?

 

*caused by the devastating explosion at Eley.

I have a couple of boxes of those Hawk paper cases.

Been tempted to try them through the Semi at arms lenth!!!!!

 

Regards

 

PP

[walt1980]

Pretty sure I've got a few I was given, BB I think, more than welcome to them if your anywhere near Ipswich?!

[skabo1]

As far as I can tell Biakal rebranded or farmed out cartridge production to several manufacturers over the years...

 

RECORD: http://khz-record.ru/
AZOT: http://www.azot-patron.ru/
BARNAUL: http://www.barnaulammunition.com/index.htm
GLAVPATRON: http://www.glavpatron.ru/
ISKRA: http://www.nmz-iskra.ru/ru/about/
POZIS: http://www.pozis.ru/index.php?cat=aat&filter
SAFARI: http://www.safari-prof.ru/
SKM: http://www.skmindustry.ru/
TECHCRIM: http://www.techcrim.ru/
VETTER: http://www.vetter.ru/

 

Enjoy.....

[stalker58]

Just dug this out...I remember using them in the 70s,was using them at a clay ground once!...when the owner of the ground said! who's using ******* Baikal's..hell of a Bang,and a flame about 3ft long..Brilliant

[bostonmick]

I remember the record cartridges and thankfully that's all we have to do today is remember them.a dreadfull cartridge.

[Hamster]

We used Baikals years ago, they came in packs of ten in shot size 7 mainly and were mustard for pigeon as well, my main memory of them is how loud they were.

[Gordon R]

I bought 5,000 in the early 1980s - they were cheap - delivered from Don Gray's Budget Guns and Tackle, Kent.

 

They were noisy and dirty, but the Skeet shells went on forever. They attracted comment - rarely good - and the flames on floodlit Skeet had to be seen to be believed.

[HDAV]

Saw a guy shoot through some at DTL a couple of years ago he was given them by an old boy who had them since the 60's ... Hell of a bang in the end no one wanted to shoot on his squad!

Edited November 17, 2013 by HDAV