Russian Record Cartridges

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Ah memories, many ground didn't like them being used as they were far louder than anything else and they were worried about noise regulations.

[RAMMER BURT]

i've still got some of the plastic case one's

i've also got some of these one's

[Remimax]

yep i bought a load of records in the late 80's christ i remember pulling the trigger was like the lottery.

some use to go off with a hell of a bang and flame ,others use to be fairly tame right down to just spitting the wad and pellets 10feet in front of you.

was like a circus act, total ****.

can see the smug grin on our local RFD's face as he uttered the words, "i told you they were ****"

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[chacotawas]

I can remember using the Russian cartridge- I knew of only one- in the late 50s/early 60s. All I remember is the bang and the smell and the dirty bores. I'm pretty sure they had no drawings on them, just some words in Russian. I think they were pale green, but I can't be sure. I wish I'd kept even one.

[Harnser]

I used to buy them in boxes of ten ,they were responcible for taking more guns of their face then any other cartridge ,but boy didnt they kill .?

 

Harnser.

[shaunb]

Ive got 250 baikal record 6 in cupboard :-) i shot 25 on saturday at a clay ground just to use them up. the look on peoples faces at side of me was priceless haha

[Paul223]

[stalker58]

Happy memories..and your camera work is better than mine

Edited November 23, 2013 by stalker58

[BobbyGee]

I used to buy them from the importer in Colchester, I can still remember using them on a roost shoot through a semi-auto, my mates left me to it as they were sure that the flames would set fire to the tree's

 

They had a lot of clout though, the birds used to come down half plucked!

[blue smokey]

if u got lucky u didnt get the ones that got loaded on friday or monday those boys liked there vodka

[snow white]

still got original box with a dozen in unfired

[steve_b_wales]

I've still got a few Black # 4's which I bought back in the 1970's.

[BaikalsRule90]

I think Baikal built their shotguns around the shells as I reckon they thought a gun not made from a tank barrel wouldn't take it!! I got given about a thousand Baikal records by a farmer and shot crows and pigeons with them through the summer. Very loud, very dirty, but absolutely flattened anything in its path. I very rarely fired a second shot as I lost the bird through the Russian newspaper wadding and the smoke! Also about not being able to afford eley back in the day. Ironically Eley actually use Russian powder in their cheaper clay shells these days. Firsts are quite loud in comparison to others and you even get some confetti!

Edited December 1, 2013 by BaikalsRule90

[Paladin]

Hi BaikalsRule90. Eley use Spanish Maxam powder from their owners.

[BaikalsRule90]

Hi BaikalsRule90. Eley use Spanish Maxam powder from their owners.

 

I sir, stand corrected.

 

Edited December 1, 2013 by BaikalsRule90

[fortune]

Back in the 80s, a guy I worked with said that he used Baikal’s and I laughed at him and told him that shooter said that they were evil he’d more than likely shake his gun to pieces. He replied that they were all right. The next time I saw him he gave me a pack of ten which sort of split like a book with five in each side. He said, “Give em a try”. I thanked him for the thought. These Baikal’s were pale pink plastic tubed and I tried them against Eley Grand Prix in my lightweight AyA 25 boxlock. I had never actually seen anyone use them so I gave them a go. I expected “from the rumours” hard recoil but was pleasantly surprised by their smooth performance and hard-hitting power. They were different to the grand prix in the fact that the Grand Prix’s were a sharp crack and recoil whereby the baikals were more of a bang and a smoother push recoil akin to black powder. On the strength of our experience with them my mate and I bought a thousand to try out some more and they were cheap. When I got them home I opened the pack and the cartridge tubes were Black not pale pink. The next weekend we were out on patrol armed with my AyA 25 and my mate with his Franchi Hunter 5 shot auto. A lone high Pigeon came over and I said to my mate “Watch this boy”. I wasn’t wrong only not how I envisaged it. There was a great big red/pink muzzle flash about six foot long shaped like a candle flame and an almighty bang. There were bits of glowing paper fluttering down on the wind. I was kind of knocked off balance and my ears rang. I thought that I had had a barrel blockage and the gun had blown up. The bird had been taken by what looked like a full choke 8 bore. I’m sure that the propellant that had been used was left over from Russian anti aircraft shell production. My mate loved using them in his Franchi Hunter with its long recoil action and long barrel. He used to take pigeons and duck that were so high that you had time to roll a fag before they came down. Well it seemed like it took that long. I’ve still got a few of the paper reds in a box somewhere. . I couldn’t shoot those blacks and swapped them with my mate. He loved using them. IF the pink ones were available I’d still buy them, as they seemed like a good cheap hard-hitting cartridge.

[Nimbusgb]

It's an old thread but I have just read this over a cup of Monday morning coffee. I will have to clean the ipad as I was laughing so much I've sputtered coffee everywhere.

 

Made my day! :)

[crosswaters]

It's an old thread but I have just read this over a cup of Monday morning coffee. I will have to clean the ipad as I was laughing so much I've sputtered coffee everywhere.

 

Made my day! :)

Me as well, never laughed so much reading a thread about cartridges lol.I liked the one about thought he might set fire to trees when he fired them hahaha. bril

[anser2]

I used to use the Black Balkal cartridges for wildfowling , they were fine , but the muzzel flash was a problem. After the first shot in the near darkness you were so blinded your eyes could not focus on the duck for a second shot. They used to kick like a mule too.

[FatFreddysCat]

Found this in my old reloading file. It's a Shooting Times cartridge test from 1987.

http://s999.photobucket.com/user/Fatfredscat/media/Baikal/2014-03-24101120_zps206ce47d.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

[strangford wildfowler]

My dad and my grandad loved these cartridges especially for shooting the foreshore and my dad agrees that they are the dirtiest carts about but he loves em we still have a few paper ones but ill keep them when I start a collection.

[marsh man]

Me and brother used to buy 2000 at a time and they used to come in a wooden crate that held a 1000 we thought they were brilliant , it dint matter what size shot you wanted cause it had from 1s to 9s in the same shell. I used a Midland Company 3inch heavy ole gun and the recoil was no bother. We used to buy them from Bazoka in Beccles Suffolk, and when my brother had a gun for sale the shop offered him £100 or 3000 cartridges and at the time they were selling for £40 a 1000 so he took the cartridges.........Happy days they were.

[Fuddster]

When I started cutting my teeth on clays circa 1984 baikals were £8 per 100......yes £8 per 100.

 

yes, rough,yes, rough and Moscow Times for wads and yes,the flames shot out of the barrel which when you're 14 was a real bonus.

 

for pigeons and crows I can remember them as hard hitting and few walking wounded.

 

for duck flighting it was often to see flames venting out of the underside of the guns action.

 

come on,please,some one bring them back into the uk.

 

cheers

 

fudds

[fortune]

As far as I can tell Biakal rebranded or farmed out cartridge production to several manufacturers over the years...

 

RECORD: http://khz-record.ru/

AZOT: http://www.azot-patron.ru/

BARNAUL: http://www.barnaulammunition.com/index.htm

GLAVPATRON: http://www.glavpatron.ru/

ISKRA: http://www.nmz-iskra.ru/ru/about/

POZIS: http://www.pozis.ru/index.php?cat=aat&filter

SAFARI: http://www.safari-prof.ru/

SKM: http://www.skmindustry.ru/

TECHCRIM: http://www.techcrim.ru/

VETTER: http://www.vetter.ru/

 

Enjoy.....

I found the above very interesting. Clicking through some of the sites I found a bit of video about the histoty of that particular company and how during the ww2 the factory was moved and made ammo for the russian army.

The Baikal cartridges weren't all rough and noisey though. The pink plastic cased ones that I shot were really good and cheap>> but the black plastic cased ones were real bangers. like anti aircraft shells. As far as I remember it was more of a fact that shoot grounds banned their use because of noise levels. they sure did kill out at distance though. the Russians companies must produce some good stuff in amongst all of the stuff that they make. When I was out in Turkey I went into a local gunshop and there were loads of brands that I have never heard of and out in the Greek islands there are odd names as well.

Cartridge imports seem to come and go. Who remembers >> Gytorp >> Maionchi >> Mss. There was a really good 20 that I used to use something like ms standard or something. Orange cased. The Russian stuff must have come from different manufactures/ factories. I wonder why these brands became unavailable?

[V8 90]

I used to buy these in paper case 4's - they were by far the cheapest 12g cartridges available - late 70's !! I was shooting them through a Baikel single barrel that I used to borrow off my Farmer mate & could knock pigeons out of the sky nearly every shot - some ridiculously high !! Flames were the norm as was a face full of god knows what.