Old Bull Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 2 days left please vote. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/poll/2013/aug/27/badger-cull-sympathise-with-saboteurs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markreed Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 everyone has there own opinions and there own personnel beliefs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westmids1987 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Voted no,havn't totally made my mind up either way,but let the cull go ahead properly and we'll be able to see the results,if it works ok thats another tool in the tool box to help,if not the the sabs will have all the ammo they need to stop further culling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I think its a shame that such an enchanting creature needs to be culled , but I am not against it as farmers lively hoods must come first . I really cannot see the cull being a successful solution though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Fenboy I could by have worded it any better to how I was thinking on the badger cull . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pork chop Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I think its a shame that such an enchanting creature needs to be culled , but I am not against it as farmers lively hoods must come first . I really cannot see the cull being a successful solution though. pritty much sums up what i'm thinking.never saw a badger till i started foxing 12 years ago,love to see them myself shame they cause so much damage.could,nt do it myself though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Anyone know of the effects of TB ? anyone seen slide photos of the effects TB has on cattle & farmed deer ? well it has the same effects on Humans & its not good & can lead to all sorts of problems ! . I wonder if the protest groups would like a dose of it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Voted no,havn't totally made my mind up either way,but let the cull go ahead properly and we'll be able to see the results,if it works ok thats another tool in the tool box to help,if not the the sabs will have all the ammo they need to stop further culling.I agree. I'm not convinced by the cull argument as the data shows that there has to be an all or nothing approach, and not an area by area cull, to get a modest reduction in bovine tb, but anyone that disrupts the cull is just allowing a shed load of badgers to be killed for nothing and there will be no winners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 The thing that I do not understand is they are shooting 10.000 badgers but they are not bothering to test any of them to see if they are infected why would they not do that the only reason that I can see is if they tested them and most of them did not have TB they would be in deep poo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I think its a shame that such an enchanting creature needs to be culled , but I am not against it as farmers lively hoods must come first . I really cannot see the cull being a successful solution though. Now try running a seal cull past people on here as fishermen are certainly feeling the pinch... I will wager some who are for the cull against badgers would be horrified. I voted no on the guardian page because whatever the cause, I don't agree with the sabs doing what they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Someone on the radio was saying that TB was not that bad in this country until the big foot and mouth outbreak a few years ago then the NFU persuaded the government to allow farmer to move stock all over the country without testing them so that farms could restock and it was after that that it all went pair shaped but it is simpler to blame it on Badgers they cannot fight back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markreed Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Anyone know of the effects of TB ? anyone seen slide photos of the effects TB has on cattle & farmed deer ? well it has the same effects on Humans & its not good & can lead to all sorts of problems ! . I wonder if the protest groups would like a dose of it . you aint been in our work canteen mate give me tb anyday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 If the cull is deemed necessary - I am for it. I have seen a number of badgers in the flesh - magnificent animals - powerful. That said, I don't see Brian - I have to speak up for badgers as they have no voice - May speaking out against culls of seals, birds, deer etc. I worry that the saboteurs have no interest in badgers, but are professional trouble makers. When this is over, will they move onto fracking or another runway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 At the end of the day, whichever animal has TB is in a bad way. Badgers suffer a miserable and very unpleasant death from it. Eradicating TB from the UK - as the country came close to before - has got to be the aim. I don't understand why the Government can't just grow up and get on with it. Removing bTB will leave a healthier badger population, no mass compensation for farmers who have seen the number of cattle destroyed each year increase in an unstoppable spread of the disease, and the unnecessary slaughter and health risk of having TB rife in the countryside. They are doing a cull in the Republic of Ireland and it is having great results. I find it strange that some are trying to argue that badgers are not a very large part of the problem (not on here I hasten to add!), or that a cull won't work. A cull will work, it just needs to be extremely heavy, as I believe this one is going to be. I personally think the system in Ireland where every time a cow (they are routinely tested) comes up as a reactor they cull the badgers in a certain radius of the farm. Once TB is gone it's gone, no one is advocating culling healthy badgers, of course some of the ones in this cull may well be unaffected by the disease, but by focusing on the very worst areas where the disease is rife in the badger population this will be reduced. The Government dropped the ball on TB at about the same time they dropped it on grey squirrels, and look at where that has got us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) Some 13 years ago I use to date a girl in Ayr & her farther got it but where from ? he certainly did not get from badgers & the man was an out & out townie , I doubt he got it from pasteurized milk so where ? my guess is he got to close to some one who had it ? . I went on a deer farming course at Sparsholt collage years ago & the subject of TB was worrying not to mention the gristly slide shows we saw & we were told of one deer farmer who had got it from his infected deer by getting in front of it while in the crush & the animal breathed over him . But what happens if TB gets into wild British deer ? & I some times wonder if the badgers have then how come the deer do not have it ? but maybe they have ? I do remember debates about this some years ago in the Shooting Times . Sorry I don't have the answers either . Pole Star ps I knew a girl in Ireland who's farther lost his leg because of TB that's how serious it is if you get it . Edited August 27, 2013 by Pole Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eccles Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Seen the effects TB has on cattle on a number of my mates farms. Seen grown men cry when they see their cattle slaughtered. Every other animal is culled Foxes Rabbits Deer etc to keep numbers in check,why is a badger any different. Think the general public think they are a rare breed there are thousands of them. I can go out on any farm lamping and see loads on every farm. The mess they make is awful their poo is everywhere on the land. I agree they are a lovely animal to look at but still think they need to cull them. IMHO.Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I worry that the saboteurs have no interest in badgers, but are professional trouble makers. When this is over, will they move onto fracking or another runway? I'm with you on this, a high proportion just enjoy being contrary and the craic of protesting, but the crusty with conviction is less evident in footage and appears to have been replaced with trustafarian Weekend anarchists that can bug out anytime they want and pick up the nice city job that their pater has had lined up since they finished prep. In years to come they'll counter gap year travelling stories and bore their peers to death with their alternative anecdotes. (And in the future chuffing mumford and chuffing son will write a song about it and chris martin will kick his cupboard doors in wishing he had) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westmids1987 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Think the general public think they are a rare breed there are thousands of them. Listening to radio 4 (maybe 2) this am,a listener said 'i can't believe their culling this endagered animal' people really need to know the facts but having spoke to many non-country people (i do not class myself as country but would like to be ;-) )they still see fox,badger,rabbit,pigeon,deer like they see on 'animals of farthing wood' or disney, as said before i am undesided on the cull but having read stories from the farmers side of things something needs to be done/tried Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootnfish Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) Sorry to seem a bit thick as i haven't really followed this whole badger cull thing, but i guess the cull will only be taking place in areas where there is a lot of cattle and not places where there is miles of arable land but still lots of badgers and very few cattle. and no i don't sympathize for the saboteurs because most of them won't be happy until they stop anything at all to do with hunting/ fishing. Edited August 27, 2013 by shootnfish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) i think the Badger is a Beautiful animal. But then i also think a Deer, Fox, Rabbit and Pigeon are also beautiful in their own way and these all need to be managed/controlled for different reasons. Edited August 27, 2013 by silver pigeon69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 The way we nearly wiped out tb was by culling and the Irish show it works but the morons here are making it worse and spread further. We should have been reactive culling years ago, its not in the badgers interests letting it spread throughout the country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 The way we nearly wiped out tb was by culling and the Irish show it works but the morons here are making it worse and spread further. We should have been reactive culling years ago, its not in the badgers interests letting it spread throughout the country Agreed. The evidence from Ireland is compelling. I dont suppose anyone who has doubts will be involved in the culling if it goes national when the results are returned ? As said, all animals are to be revered but we either choose wildlife unfettered or, food and forests by control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Fully support the cull, no sympathy whatsoever with the antis, sabs or whatever you want to call them. Ignorant, urbanised oafs who should have no involvement in the management of the landscape. Even if badgers were not the major vector for bovine TB (I don't know why its called "bovine", its the same TB that infects other species, including humans), they should be on the general license anyway. They are pests. They cause great damage to farmland and to other species. They have caused localised extinctions of hedgehogs. Thanks to man they have no natural predators or competitors and it is our responsibility to maintain a balance when we have deprived nature of the means to do it. The predation and disease crisis caused by badgers is a direct result of their over-protected status. Get them shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 agreed with gimlet, land owners should be allowed to control them as needs be. My understanding is they were protected to stop badger baiting and the like, make that illegal not controlling a pest that NEEDS to be controlled. We used to see hedgehogs all around my area but since the badger population explosion (they are seriously everywhere) we havent seen any for years. The ******* climbed my garden fence (six foot high) years ago and ate the two families of hedgehogs we had living in our garden for many years... My mates farm has just been put under restriction due to finding TB in cattle, his herd has been closed for 50 years (nothing comes in), but guess what, badgers have invaded his land in recent years.... you dont need two chances to guess where the TB came from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Crack on says I. Get rid of it if possible and if not keep it tightly controlled. Protesters seem to pick certain animals to go all out for. What about the cattle, don't they deserve support. Government needs to grow a pair and do what needs to be done, instead of trying to always do what they think makes them popular. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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